A Great Nothing: Election 2024
“I am the nothing around which all this spins, I exist so that it can spin, I am a centre that exists only because everything circle has one… I am the centre of everything surrounded by a great nothing.”
– Fernando Pesso, The Book of Disquiet
IN 1997, a few weeks before Tony Blair’s New Labour won its historic victory, the American writer Gore Vidal found himself in his natural condition, i.e. demonstrating that in him, the United States maintained a strategic reserve of aristocratic disdain Britain could never hope to match.
Swarmed by the press after one of Blair’s speeches, a reporter asked Vidal whether the UK was becoming more ‘Americanized’. “Well,” he said, “you do resemble us in that you now have a single party with two right wings.”
The reporter pressed on: “Which wing is more to the right?”
Vidal replied sternly: “One does not bring a measuring rod to Liliput.”
As ever, few were smart enough to take Vidal’s advice. Much our national press – what remains of it – have been reduced to professional measuring rod-wielders, and following Keir Starmer’s landslide-by-default on Thursday, the days and years to come will no doubt keep them busy assessing the distance between the deposed Conservatives and an unassailable Labour in nanometres.
However, 2024 is not 1997. You might not think anyone would need to be reminded of this, yet there are some bent on pretending otherwise. Writing in the Guardian on the day of the election, Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett recalled the jubilation of 1997, and made the case for celebrating once again: “Good things were going to happen, we believed, because that it what many of our parents believed.”
Cool story – what happened next?
If one does wish to draw similarities between then and now – beyond establishing that the credulity of Guardian columnists is an inexhaustible commodity – there is one worth bearing in mind. To the far-sighted, the quickly revealed nature of Blair’s government was no surprise; the architects of New Labour were, uncharacteristically, quite explicit in their intentions even before taking power.
Despite the efforts of the UK’s right-wing press, which still vainly persists in trying to paint Starmer as some kind of crypto-Marxist demagogue poised to expropriate everything that looks at him funny – a strategy they attempted with Blair, and has failed just as utterly today – Labour under Starmer have been clear about what they stand for… Which is to say, not a lot.
Counting the casualties
The wreckage left in the wake of Labour’s victory now litters UK politics, and plenty are already picking through the rubble trying to establish how it happened – that’s strange, why did the people of Pompeii decide to build all these statues of people lying down…
First and foremost of the many obvious points that oddly went unspoken throughout the campaign: A great many people died in 14 years of Tory government – you will never convince me that, in many cases, it was not entirely intentional – and no apology was ever offered for that. So far, no guarantee has been given that such deaths will decrease under the new one. Such is the art of managing expectations.
Though unable and unwilling to share the optimism of Cosslett et al, I can understand taking some satisfaction in the sheer scale of the Conservative obliteration – people can have a little schaudenfreude, as a treat. That said, any dark glee is rather undercut by the fact that Rishi Sunak is out, with nothing but £651 million to fall back on; that our former prime minister can now cry himself to sleep on a bed made of money is not the satisfying of political defenestrations.
Other notable losses were useful, in that they should disabuse us of a few myths. For example, the idea that Joanna Cherry enjoys a mass of supporters separate from and more powerful than ordinary erstwhile SNP voters has been proven a fiction, and revealed that her personal constituency is (and arguably always was) largely restricted to the country’s most superannuated columnists. It does not take the Oracle of Delphi to know that majorities are not built on these foundations.
Similarly, Alba’s hope that its coalition of embittered cranks could get anyone elected anywhere has been dashed yet again on the rocks of reality. As Cameron Archibald has already pointed out, Scotland’s motley troupe of social conservatives will be loath to accept that their grim obsession with rendering the lives of marginalised minorities untenable has failed to protect even the most prominent among their number. It will, of course, be somebody else’s fault – it always is.
Meanwhile, the election of several independents but not one George Galloway, late of Rochdale, has shown that tolerating a self-aggrandizing, multi-decade project of repugnant personality is not a prerequisite to opposing genocide in Gaza. Wherever the UK’s anti-war, anti-imperialist left go from here, it is both possible and likely that the movement will do so with greater ease and success now that Dundee’s most notorious exile has been shunted to the sidelines once more.
The Hindenburg
Even before the party’s Westminster contingent was reduced to the size of a sparsely attended pub quiz, the commentariat were busily erecting a ‘death of the SNP’ thinkpiece-industrial complex; hacks know when they’re onto a good thing, and confidently explaining the cause of the disaster, along with their own modest prescriptions for what should happen next, may well sustain them for years to come.
Independence is buried, we are told – a verdict which might carry more weight if this were not the third or fourth time we were hearing it. Optimists who still tend to the flame will argue that roughly half the nation still favours independence, and that ideas are far more difficult to kill than parties. This is perfectly true – but you cannot eat an idea nor pay your rent with one, as I suspect those who deserted the SNP this week know all too well. Besides, those who once presented themselves as the only ones capable of bringing that idea to fruition have shown as much talent for praxis as a Labrador with a banjo.
The British state, ramshackle and replete with baked-in contradictions though it may be, is explicitly designed not to feature mechanisms by which it may be dismantled. The SNP have absolutely failed to overcome this, but the more messianic amongst its critics are kidding themselves – as is their habit – if they think any of the back-of-a-napkin ‘Plan Bs’ which have been floated since 2014 would have done better. There is no One Neat Trick for achieving a second referendum – the independence movement will need to grapple with that truth going forward, while the SNP’s present position can partly be attributed to their refusal to do so.
That obstinance, coupled with the carefully nurtured delusion that British ‘democracy’ can deliver a mandate worth a damn for the break-up of Britain itself, had some roots in the SNP’s terror of being perceived as a mere ‘party of protest’. They may put their minds at rest on that score – after this election campaign, no one would mistake the SNP as an entity with any interest in or talent for protest… Not that they were alone in that.
See no evil, hear no evil
On the day of the General Election, the Gaza Health Ministry reported that the Palestinian death-toll at the hands of Israeli forces had surpassed 38,000. At the time of writing, the ministry reports that number has grown by at least 29 within the past 24 hours, including five Palestinian journalists.
Following John Swinney’s slapdash coronation as leader of the SNP in May, I noted that the beleaguered party was nevertheless distinguished by its position on Gaza – alone within mainstream British politics, it advocated a ceasefire without caveat or apology.
True, reports that Scottish Enterprise has provided ungodly sums to arms companies supplying Israel since its assault on Gaza began, in spite of Humza Yousaf’s demand for a cessation of Israeli arms sales, arguably reveals that position as a sham. Yet Gaza was and is the defining political test of our time, one which the SNP – if they had possessed the barest minimum of courage and honesty – could have used to define themselves amidst an international movement of millions, just as they once did over Iraq, and stand in opposition to the most monstrous and bloodthirsty forces operating in the world today.
Instead, they pretty much whiffed it.
Gaza was not a central part of the SNP’s election campaign – as for why, you would need to ask them. Labour were also keen to push the small matter of an ongoing genocide out of sight and mind, but their reasons were a little easier to deduce.
In the days since the election, much has already been written concerning the rare challenge posed to Labour by voters justly enraged over Starmer’s craven stance on Gaza; that this anger was key in securing victory for Jeremy Corbyn as an independent, along with four others, seems self-evident.
Intelligent and well-intentioned people have understandably looked to these outliers a source of hope; writing in Jacobin, Daniel Finn expressed his belief that “[the] vote for antiwar and Green candidates suggests the potential for a left-wing movement that combines a domestic reform agenda, both social and ecological, with a foreign policy based on peace, human rights, and climate justice.”
There is nothing wrong with hope – indeed, defeatism is an unaffordable luxury for the left, especially in the hardest of times. Nevertheless, I cannot help but remember the words of Kurt Vonnegut, who recalled the movement against the Vietnam war in typically caustic fashion: “It was like a laser beam. We were all aimed in the same direction. The power of this weapon turned out to be that of a custard pie dropped from a stepladder six feet high.”
The great, cross-party success story of the 2024 general election was to completely sideline a genocide, and electorally neuter the mass-movement it has inspired. In this negative triumph, the mindset of the Starmerite project becomes terrifyingly clear.
The Old Deal
In his acceptance speech outside Downing Street (think Michael Rimmer, minus the warmth and charm), Keir Starmer promised the peoples of the United Kingdom “a government unburdened by doctrine” – or, if you prefer, principle – and “guided only by the determination to serve your interest.”
Taken to its logical conclusion – always a dangerous place to go – a naïve appraisal could conclude the incoming government believes nothing is off the table if there is a chance it will materially improve our lives; the speech was, I would bet, tailored specifically to give this very impression. If so, we may consider it Starmer’s first official lie as prime minister.
Throwing absolutely everything at the wall in order to see what will stick, untrammelled by conventional wisdom or ideology, has historical precedent; much romanticised though it may have subsequently been, this was essentially the desperate logic behind the New Deal under the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt. Given licence by the unprecedented crisis of the Great Depression, the New Deal – though as often as not, a series of half-measures and sticking plastics on capitalism’s inherent flaws – was nevertheless able to push through sweeping public work projects, social programs and state interventions that would have previously been unthinkable.
Starmer, few will be surprised to learn, is not proposing any kind of New Deal – unlike FDR, his government, even before taking power, has been defined far more by what it won’t do than what it will. This is why incoming Chancellor of the Exchequer Rachel Reeves’ first act was to emphasise that “there’s not a huge amount of money” and reiterate Labour’s plan to let BlackRock strip-mine the country.
As Christopher Silver wrote in the National prior to the election: “Even the most basic steps to lift children out of poverty, like removing the two-child benefit cap, is dismissed because it would acknowledge the victims of 14 years of austerity that haunt contemporary politics.”
This is the extent of our new government’s vision, and in it, one can hear the dread words of a bygone monster echo through eternity:
“There is no alternative.”
Refu/sons le dialogue avec nos matraqueurs
Though our political class prefers we ignore it, there is a world beyond the UK, developments within which offer lessons for we inhabitants of Starmer’s Britain.
Those attempting to find a bright side to look upon might consider France, which at the time of writing stands perilously close to a government of whitewashed fascism, or the United States, where the last line of defence against Trumpism re-entering the White House is an incomprehensible octogenarian whose remaining shreds of coherence have been devoted to articulating a refusal to stand aside. Surely, one might think, the grass is a little greener on this side?
Unfortunately, relief is unmerited and unwise: both France and the US have been led, once again, to the brink of the far-right seizing power thanks to the pig-headed conviction that centrism is the only credible bulwark against it, despite the fact it startles, bends and buckles in response to the far-right’s every whim and spasm.
Over the course of the campaign, Starmer has shown he is no exception, whether through pandering to anti-immigrant bigotry, dog-whistles over benefit scroungers, or by prostrating himself before a plutocratic children’s author and promising to ensure no child need ever be aware of trans people’s existence. With the presence of an invigorated and unhinged Reform UK in parliament, the possibility of Starmer somehow developing a backbone seems somewhat distant.
The reptilian instincts which animate Le Pen, Trump and their followers are hardly alien or absent from British politics – as proof, you may look to the Spectator, which has over the past few weeks been less the house journal of British conservatism, but instead a National Rally fanzine. It would be nice is we could also look internationally for means by which it might be combated, but sadly it is not that simple.
France – not for the first time – has an organised, anti-capitalist left worthy of the name that leaves its British and American counterparts in the dust. While the survival of Jeremy Corbyn offers small comfort to the survivors of his own failed project, and Bernie Sanders ages into a disappointment that was a long time coming, the New Popular Front offers an opposition to both the far-right and the centrism which has emboldened it that is far from symbolic.
It is no small task to try and imagine how anything close to a genuine alternative on these shores might be built – the history of the British Left is, if anything, a history of failures to do so. Yet the unspoken message of the UK’s new government is that we must all understand certain things are impossible, and that they set the terms. The election did little to disprove this.
What – if anything – will?
Brilliant! But also sad … what can we do…
We can begin to work together, try to get out of our bubbles and engage, talk to those with similar views. One urgent priority is antiracism- not to forget that Reform has made an inroad into the Scottish electorate. The ref in Sean Bells article to alliances being made in France is encouraging- let’s hope that it pays off today and holds back the rightwing tide
We can get out of our trenches and engage with those with opposing views, as the Irish did in the run up to the Good Friday Agreement.
Such dialogues oppose a utopianism, which looks to a uniquely perfect social order that would prevail under ‘ideal’ conditions’ as conceived by each opposing side, with a pragmatism that negotiates incremental improvements to everyone’s situation within a framework of arrangements (e.g. the Good Friday Agreement) that none deems perfect but which everyone ‘can live with’.
That was a good read. Well analysed and pertinently relevant.
This interesting and insightful article struck one particularly jarring note: Starmer’s attitude to Gaza is NOT craven.
Far from it. As a self-dcelared zionist, Starmer is a firm, enthusiastic and committed supporter of the genocide. This is not a cowardly stance; it is a criminal stance – for which I firmly hope he pays in a criminal court.
A brilliantly son-of-his-father piece of writing.
What a great read that was! We need more of this…
If you think of the British party-political system as a multi-seater bicycle, each seat taken by a different party, then whether in the driving seat or not, each party helps stabilise the system (until the wheels fall off, which they will sooner or later).
This is, of course, a flawed analogy, not least for the fact that large swathes of policy are outside party influence under royal prerogative (perhaps the bicycle is towing a trailer carrying a gunboat), whereas the bicycle also chained in front to a US Army truck driven by a fat cat in a top hat and loaded with white Christian supremacist soldiers, while leaking oil all across the road and running over endangered species as this unwieldy contraption of vehicles carries us along to Doomsday.
‘…large swathes of policy are outside party influence under royal prerogative…’
No they aren’t. As I’ve explained before, while the prerogative does derive from the original executive powers held personally by the medieval monarchs, over the centuries these have been overlain and superseded by statute, and most of those powers have transferred to ministers. And, as recent history has shown, even prime ministers stand and fall by the whims of their party.
@Moderators, how long are you going to let Lord Parakeet the Cacophonist spread easily-disprovable lies about the nature of the British state on these pages? For example, see:
https://www.declassifieduk.org/starmers-red-button-labours-long-addiction-to-nuclear-weapons/
and there are many others (Brexit was one; it had to be an executive decision with royal approval, not a general election manifesto). The monarch’s most-weeks’ meetings with the Prime Minister are top secret. His/Her Majesty’s Secret Services. The secret agreements made with other states. The special British way of doing things that was being challenged by the EU prior to Brexit (not just tax havens). The use of special forces death squads (something may slip out during the current inquiries). Appointments. Electoral systems. Probably Scottish Independence itself (a logical Treason Felony) when it comes to it. Climate change was hardly a real, emergency issue presented to the electorate by the parties of power.
Yes; how long, Mike?
Go back to your bedsits and prepare for yet more whining articles.
Pessoa, not Pesso!!!
Fernando Pessoa…
Why mention Joanna Cherry’s loss without looking at the sweeping away of those opposed to her like John Nicolson? What holds for her holds for them. As Reform gained 6.9% of votes in Scotland it means in 2026 they could well pick up seats. Poor analysis by Archibald and you if you think social conservatives are blaming others whilst ignoring who was actually being voted for. Greens got 3.8% to Reforms 6.9%.
The bottom line is if you don’t govern well and listen to the voters they won’t vote for you regardless if you are on the left, centre or right.
As for the wider world and the horrific situation in Gaza sadly they rarely have an impact on domestic elections. Iraq was illegally invaded in 2003 it didn’t get rid of Blair. He resigned 5 yrs later as the money dried up and his star waned (much like Sturgeon)And it was In the midst of banking crisis and rise of austerity the SNP came to power.
Interesting that the Greens in England seem to do a fair bit better than the Scottish Greens in elections. Reforms vote though not as great as in England suggests there are British nationalists in Scotland.
‘Gaza was and is the defining political moment of our time’………really?
Do you think the people of the region could care less about what’s going on in the UK, likewise.
The problems of the middle East are for the peoples of the region to sort out, its got bugger all to do with us.
Why the obsession?
You are right John. It is not the defining political moment at all but it is for some who have a simplistic binary ‘understanding’, who like to take what they think is the moral high ground on something that it seems on the surface they actually have zero perspective on, and for which their endless, empty bilious rhetoric does nothing
It will be the defining political moment until the next bandwagon rolls up.
Any cursory examination of history (Balfour Agreement) would indicate the UK has a historical connection with Palestine and Israel.
In addition the UK has a close connection diplomatic and militarily with Israel as do many MP’s in both main parties through Friends of Israel groupings.
It is therefore not unreasonable when an ally, in this case Israel, is involved in an operation killing thousands of innocent civilians and making millions homeless that many of this think the UK should give their ally some honest advice in line with vast majority of countries in United Nations.
I would highly recommend you educate yourself by reading that well known conservative commentator Peter Osborne on this subject. The opposition to Israel actions and UK support for the actions is not confined to Muslims and extreme left wingers. I can assure you it is shared with many people who can see the inhumanity being visited on innocent civilians especially children.
PS – the actions of October 7th were indefensible but two wrongs do not make a right especially when it looks like a massive overreaction and vengeance.
The UK has an historical link to Palestine/Israel.
This is very true and was know as colonialism. But according to the latest theories we’re now supposed to be de-coloniasing our minds from such ideas.
Ergo it’s nothing to do with us unless your advocating in re-imposing ‘western’ thoughts on the people of the region.
Did you read the rest of my comment about Israel being an ally of UK and all the current political between Uk & Israel?
Not to mention how UK is out of step with UN and last I read was trying to block the ICC?
John
I did read your comments and it’s no surprise that as both the UK and Israel are free/secular/democratic societies we are allies.
But according to the latest trendy theories that’s imposing ‘western colonialist values’ and the ‘values’ of Hamas (no democracy/oppression of women/killing homosexuals etc etc) are as equally ‘valid’ as our ‘western values’.
Do you agree?
‘Majority of the UK’ believe we shouldn’t be supporting Israel?
I think the majority of the UK couldn’t care less.
As you ask though I’d sooner support a free secular, democratic society (such as Israel) against the forces of oppression as the Arab/Muslim world represents.
Buts that’s my opinion which for better or for worse has been ‘colonised’ by the Scottish enlightenment. Unfortunately (in my opinion) the Muslim world wasn’t similarly ‘colonised’.
John
I judge countries and organisations on their actions not on what label you hang on them. That is why I have condemned both the actions of Hamas for October 7th and the vast overreaction of zIsraeli government.
In some respects for a democratic nation to be killing so many innocent civilians is actually worse than a bunch of terrorists killing people. Any democratic, self proclaimed civilised nation is undermining the international rule of law by behaving in the manner Israel is.
It looks to me like one rule for our mates and another rule for people that are different from us. It is this type of hypocrisy that makes action against Russia in Ukraine more difficult and actually endangers our own citizens through encouraging more terrorist action against UK citizens at home or abroad.
@ JL
The last poll I saw on YouGov suggested that the sympathies of only 31% of Brits (hardly a majority!) lie with the Palestinians, only 17% with the Israelis, and 52% couldn’t give a damn one way or the other.
Dateman – if you actually cared to read my comments and follow the argument the UK government is involving itself on the side of the Israeli government- very much against the wishes of 83% who do not support Israel’s current war in Gaza.
I and the majority of public in UK do not support the killing of innocent civilians either Israeli or Palestinian. It is the active and tacit support of Israeli government’s current inhumane policy by UK government that I object to. I have no doubt that I am not alone in thinking that all innocent civilians (especially children) should be protected regardless of colour of skin or religion. From JL’s comments it appears that he doesn’t mind civilians being killed if they are Muslims. I find this a frightening and inhumane response.
I can’t think of anyone who supports the war in Gaza. But the greater war (of which the conflict in Gaza is just the latest battle) won’t end until either Hamas has been annihilated and the Palestinians have their own state or Israel has been annihilated and the Jews don’t.
(And where did you get the ‘83%’ figure?)
From your figures where you stated 17% actively support Israel – this means 83% do not actively support Israel. (this is different from supporting Palestine.)
The UK government has always actively supported Israel so a continuation of this support (militarily and political) is therefore at odds with 83% ie the vast majority of the people in UK.
The point I was making was that the sympathies of only 31% of Brits lie with the Palestinians and not ‘the majority of UK’ as was claimed.
It’s true the sympathies of even fewer Brits lie with the Israelis (17%). But so what? The fact remains that the sympathies of only 31% of Brits lie with the Palestinians and not ‘the majority of UK’ as was claimed.
You are just repeating yourself – I can read!
I’m sure you can, John; although you did miss the point I was making: that the sympathies of only 31% of Brits lie with the Palestinians in the Gaza conflict, not ‘the majority of UK’.
To repeat myself and keep it simple:
From the figures you gave in your unreferenced poll with regard to current Gaza conflict:
UK population who support Israeli government actions – 17%.
You can either support or not support these actions therefore:-
Uk population who do not support Israeli government’s actions is 83%(100-17). This does not mean they support Palestinians – what does support Palestinians mean? – support Hamas, support Palestinians right to Gaza?
The UK government has, to date, been actively supporting Israeli government actions.
Therefore it follows that if 83% of UK population do not actively support Israeli government actions they are not in agreement with UK government policy to support Israel’s government actions.
I don’t think the arithmetic or logic are difficult to follow.
I agree John. What the YouGov poll shows is, as I’ve been saying, that the sympathies of ‘a majority of UK’ don’t lie with the Palestinians in the current Gaza conflict. The sympathies of only 31% of Brits lie with the Palestinians; the sympathies of 17% lie with the Israelis, and the remaining 52% don’t give a damn about either of them.
Didn’t I reference the YouGov poll? I thought I did.
@John, well the British also suppressed the Palestinians in the Revolt of 1936-39 concurrent with Spanish Civil War but largely ignored by history books, writes John Newsinger in The Blood Never Dried: A People’s History of the British Empire, 2nd Edition (2013). Grievances flared into violence and general strike led by youth, reprisals by British. p142 “The British responded to what was becoming a guerrilla war with mass arrests, shootings, torture and the blowing up of houses.”
The British also secretly armed Israel with nuclear-weapon capability. And kept selling arms to them all through this genocide inflicted on Palestinians, providing special forces and intelligence support too, reportedly, through usual extra-Parliamentary channels.
The British have used their United Nations Security Council veto to block General Assembly motions against Israel, although they can generally rely on United States and sometimes France, and just abstain. I suppose it became embarrassing during the Tripartite British–French–Israeli Invasion of Egypt (aka Suez Crisis) in 1956, but such embarrassments pass in geopolitics. Who now remembers the British support for South Africa, another apartheid state that developed nukes?
SD,
Completely agree with you. The ‘British,’ whoever they are have no right to interfere with the internal affairs of other countries unless it represents a clear threat to the UK.
How’s the visa application for Cuba going, no joy I presume and you”re
staying in the ‘imperialist/colonialist/NATO defended/capitalist West. What a surprise. Enjoy!
UK is helping Israel militarily and provides a lot of financial assistance to Israel so it is interfering. What majority of people in this country wish is for UK to stop all military and financial aid to Israel (ie stop interfering) until a ceasefire is agreed. (UK was only to ready to suspend money to UNRWA based on flimsy evidence.)
In addition UK is thwarting UN motions and ICC actions which again is interfering on behalf of Israel.
Either come out straight and say you agree with Israel and think UK should be backing them as opposed to your pathetic and hypocritical we shouldn’t interfere argument when we patently are interfering.
@ John
But why would the UK want to do that and thereby weaken the advantage its ally has in the war against militant Islamic fundamentalism in the form of Hamas?
Hamas has nothing like the military capability of Israel. It has only come to prominence due to in part to Israeli intransigence and belligerence in Israel plus BN government have promoted Hamas to divide Palestinians.
The actions of October 7th by Hamas were wrong and have been condemned by UN and ICC.
The overwhelming reaction by Israel killing thousands of innocent women and children, destroying more than 50% of buildings and infrastructure and withholding food from civilians is equally wrong and a war crime.
The UK should be calling out both Hamas and IDF actions and withholding any military and financial aid to Israel until they agree to a ceasefire.
Far from causing Islamic fundamentalists overrunning Israel this will help prevent escalation of war in Middle East and preserve UK reputation as upholding international law.
Oh and by the way it might help aid release the remaining hostages and save thousands of innocent women and children’s lives in Palestine.
But no according to the Israeli apologists we must support an extreme right wing government desperately holding to power in a mad, bloody unwinnable destructive act of revenge because we think they are our mates.
You’re right: Hamas has nothing like the military capability of Israel; Israeli intransigence had contributed majorly to the rise of Hamas and its hegemony over the Gazan population; Israeli forces may well be found guilty of war crimes.
I still don’t see why the UK should withhold military and financial aid to Israel in its fight against militant Islamic fundamentalism in the form of Hamas. There will be no peace in Gaza or in the Israeli settlements on the borders with Gaza until Hamas is gone.
And who’s supporting the extreme right wing government that’s desperately holding onto power in Israel? Public opinion surveys conducted in Israel over the nine months since October 7 shows an extremely high level of support for the war against Hamas (varying from 78-84%), support that crosses classes, age groups, and political views, while around 70-75% of Israelis believe Netanyahu should resign immediately or after the war ends. 99 out of the 120 members of the Knesset support the war in Gaza; only 9 oppose it. Even if the right-wing coalition weren’t in power in Israel (and we can but hope!), Israel would still be smashing Hamas with its vastly superior military capability.
Hamas is both a military and political organisation. The IDF can degrade Hamas military capabilities but all experts in field agree they cannot eliminate Hamas. Indeed the IDF onslaught in Gaza is not surprisingly building up support for Hamas amongst Palestinians in West Bank and I have no doubt it will entrench support for Hamas further in Gaza. History shows that for every mother, father, sibling killed in Gaza another terrorist will be created. This was one of the motivations behind the Hamas actions on October 7th and Israeli government overreaction is precisely what Hamas desired.
If Israel wants to completely eliminate Hamas, if they keep current strategy going, they will end up having to kill every person in Gaza and West Bank. I would hope that you would agree that this would not be an acceptable strategy to pursue?
I am aware the Israeli public are hurting and looking for revenge but it is in everyone’s longer term interests that cooler heads prevail. I am sure USA and other allies, including UK, have been trying this but with no success as the news that IDF are today calling for civilians to evacuate Gaza city again shows. The only way the alllies can get wiser heads to prevail in Israel is to withdraw all military and financial support until Israel stops fighting and agrees to a permanent. This will also help with task of securing hostages release.
Hamas may try to provoke further incidents but they are already greatly degraded and with Israeli defence capabilities provide an insignificant threat to Israel.
No it doesn’t; to eliminate Hamas as an existential threat, Israel only has to destroy its capacity to operate against it from within Gaza.
I regret the current military action in Gaza and the suffering its causing as much as the next man. But, again, I ask: why should the secular, liberal West withdraw its support from Israel in its fight against the existential threat of militant Islamic fundamentalism in the form of Hamas?
Dateman – I have given you an explanation at great length why the west should stop supplying Israel with military and financial assistance until it agrees to a ceasefire. I will give you a potted version if you promise to actually read what I have said than just repeat yourself over & over;
1.Humanitarian reason ie stop the killing of innocent civilians. (personally I would consider adequate reason alone)
2.Help get return of remaining Israeli hostages.
3.Reduce chance of spread of war across Middle East.
4. Uphold the reputation of international law.
5.Avoid USA & UK being shown to have double standards and being internationally isolated. Important when looking to get support for other activities eg support of Ukraine.
6.Prevent war in Gaza acting as a recruiting agent for Hamas and other terrorist organisations thus storing up more trouble in future.
7.Help move to a sustainable two state solution in future. The longer this war goes on the less likely a solution in near future becomes.
8.From UK perspective- act in a manner which reflects vast majority of public who do not support government actively supporting Israeli government military action.
Now that I have taken the time and patience to again outline the reasons can you please do me the courtesy of actually reading what I am saying. I know what you think and I do not need you to repeat it again. I have tried to remain polite throughout this discourse but you are really trying my patience.
Thanks
Yeah; so you keep saying, John.
1. Innocent civilians get killed in war. It’s unfortunate but true. War is a brutal, messy business.
2. Why should Israel give in to moral blackmail? That was the whole point of Hamas taking those hostages; to provide itself with a further human shield against possible retaliation. It didn’t work.
3. The Middle East is already engulfed in war. As far as Hamas and its sponsors are concerned, that war will only end when the last Jew is gone from Palestine. If you don’t believe me, read the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (aka ‘Hamas’). Here are some extracts:
‘Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.’ (Preamble)
‘The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’ (Article 7)
‘The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.’ (Article 11)
‘Palestine is an Islamic land… Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Muslim wherever he may be.’ (Article 13)
‘The day the enemies usurp part of a Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.’ (Article 15)
‘[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam… There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.’ (Article 13)
‘The enemies have been scheming for a long time … and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media… With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe… They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about… With their money they formed secret organizations – such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions – which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests… They stood behind World War I … and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains… There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it.’ (Article 22)
‘Zionist scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.” (Article 32)
‘The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism… Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.’ (Article 32)
4. No party in this conflict is observing international law. International law is one of the first casualties in any international conflict. Again, unfortunate but true.
5. Of course, the UK and USA have double standards, one set for its friends and one set for its foes. Who doesn’t?
6. Israel isn’t interested in how many Muslims Hamas and other terrorist organisations recruit to the cause of cleansing the land between the Euphrates and the Nile of Jews; its interest lies in degrading the terrorists’ capacity to attack Jews in Palestine.
7. Hamas isn’t at all interested in a two-state solution to the conflict; its ultimate goal is to cleanse the Holy Land of Jews and establish a single Islamic state.
8. I’m yet to be convinced that a ‘vast majority of the public in the UK’ don’t support the UK government’s support for Israel.
1. Innocent civilians get killed in war. It’s unfortunate but true. War is a brutal, messy business.
2. Why should Israel give in to moral blackmail? That was the whole point of Hamas taking those hostages; to provide itself with a further human shield against possible retaliation. It didn’t work.
3. The Middle East is already engulfed in war. As far as Hamas and its sponsors are concerned, that war will only end when the last Jew is gone from Palestine. If you don’t believe me, read the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (aka ‘Hamas’). Here are some extracts:
‘Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.’ (Preamble)
‘The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’ (Article 7)
‘The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.’ (Article 11)
‘Palestine is an Islamic land… Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Muslim wherever he may be.’ (Article 13)
‘The day the enemies usurp part of a Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.’ (Article 15)
‘[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam… There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.’ (Article 13)
‘The enemies have been scheming for a long time … and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media… With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe… They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about… With their money they formed secret organizations – such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions – which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests… They stood behind World War I … and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains… There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it.’ (Article 22)
‘Zionist scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.” (Article 32)
‘The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism… Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.’ (Article 32)
4. No party in this conflict is observing international law. International law is one of the first casualties in any international conflict. Again, unfortunate but true.
5. Of course, the UK and USA have double standards, one set for its friends and one set for its foes. Who doesn’t?
6. Israel isn’t interested in how many Muslims Hamas and other terrorist organisations recruit to the cause of cleansing the land between the Euphrates and the Nile of Jews; its interest lies in degrading the terrorists’ capacity to attack Jews in Palestine.
7. Hamas isn’t at all interested in a two-state solution to the conflict; its ultimate goal is to cleanse the Holy Land of Jews and establish a single Islamic state.
8. I’m yet to be convinced that a ‘vast majority of the public in the UK’ don’t support the UK government’s support for Israel.
Like a Labrador with a banjo, Sean has no talent for proposition. Praxis is the marriage of Action and Reflection. What should be our action pray??
Some funny rhetoric though.
Praxis is neither theory nor practice; not is it a marriage of the two. Praxis is the *process* by which a theory, lesson, or skill is enacted, embodied, realised, applied, or put into practice. Praxis is its own activity, the activity of ‘mobilisation’. This activity has been conceived by a wide range of philosophers in a wide range of ways.
Marx conceived praxis or mobilisation as the free, universal, creative, and self-creative activity through which we create and changes the historical world in which we’re embedded and, in doing so, change ourselves, an activity that’s unique to humanity and distinguishes it from all other forms of life. Marx also affirmed the primacy of praxis over both theory and practice, claiming that theoretical contradictions and practical conflicts (e.g. between classes, cultures, genders, etc.) can only be resolved through revolutionary praxis.
Marx sets his humanism against the common sense realism that envisages the world as a collection of material objects that are contemplated by ‘minds’. He argued (particularly in his Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, his Theses on Feuerbach, and towards the end of his career in the Grundrisse (the outline of his projected magnum opus)) that perception is itself a component of our practical relationship to the world and shaped by that practice; that to understand the world doesn’t mean considering it from the outside, judging it morally or explaining it scientifically. The world can’t be changed by philosophers who only seek to understand it, but only by the revolutionary praxis of the class whose interest coincides with that of humanity as a whole; the proletariat. Revolutionary praxis will thus be a self-creative act of humanity itself, in which the subject changes the object (and ourselves as subjects) by the very fact of appropriating it from our disappropriators.
The Italian Marxist philosopher, Antonio Labriola, called Marxism the ‘philosophy of praxis’, a characterisation of Marxism that appeared again in Antonio Gramsci’s Prison Notebooks and later still in the writings of members of the Frankfurt School. Praxis was also an important theme for Marxist thinkers such as Georg Lukacs, Karl Korsch, Karel Kosik, and Henri Lefebvre, and was seen as the central concept in Marx’s thought by Yugoslavia’s Praxis School, which established a journal of that name in 1964.
So what should our action be, pray? Our action should be to support the revolutionary praxis of the proletariat or the ‘dispossessed’ of the world, the so-called Wretched of the Earth, which praxis will resolve the contradictions and conflicts that are imminent to capitalism as a form of life.
Thanks! I’ve read all them books! I disagree that “Supporting” the action of the proletariat is the way forward, merely an excuse for the inaction of a middle class fearful to commit to action Freire argued that Oppression was the theme of the epoch. I disagreed with him to his lovely face in the Hebrides bar in Edinburgh in 1988.
Alienation is the theme of our epoch authentic comradely connectedness a way of address this . Henry Giroux I think writes well on this.
Isn’t alienation (our estrangement from others, ourselves, and ‘Nature’) a product of oppression? Guys like Fanon and Freire would certainly have said so. In their view, the revolutionary praxis of decolonisation, in liberating the wretched of the Earth from colonial oppression, would simultaneously liberate both the oppressor and the oppressed from their alienated condition.
And this isn’t an excuse for inaction; it’s a clarion call for the bourgeois intelligentsia to work in solidarity with the proletariat in its various liberation struggles around the world.
I’m also a fan of Giroux’s critical pedagogy, which take place in a different context from Freire’s. While Giroux’s writings challenge the power structures that shape education and maintain the hegemony of the ruling class in Canada and North America, Freire’s challenge the structures that shape education and maintain the dominant hegemony in Central and South America. Both, I think, are engaged in the same revolutionary praxis; only the praxis that’s called for by the oppressive power structures to be found in North America is different from that which is called for by the quite different oppressive power structures to be found in South America.
Wasn’t Freire a visiting professor at Harvard and once expelled from his native Brazil lived in Geneva whilst his books we’re published by western publishing houses making him (as a revolutionary/anti-western marxist) a very nice living amongst the self loathing, well to do western left?
The wonders of capitalism!
Yes! Alienation is the product of oppression and living as a wage slave in a corporate world. But no condition is total! I remember well the liberating and collective work of the workers in the weaving/mining community I was raised in. Pipe band, silver bands, choirs, gardening, sport, debating and learning, organising and driving the Labour movement, struggling to increase socialism. In these areas they stood together with an educated left middle class. Divided and increasingly alienated from each other we become spectators rather than actors.
Addressing alienation is a precondition of tackling oppression.
The move from spectator to participant is then more likely.
Or put more simply “ Step away from the keyboard, Frank!!”
Meanwhile Giroux lectures and makes a very nice living in Canada interspersed with lucrative lecture tours to the US and UK, obviously as an ‘anti-capitalist’ he doesnt work for free. The wretched of the earth indeed!
John Learmonth. I think you have stepped from scepticism to cynicism.
We all take the kings shilling! Freire did many powerful things!!
Yes; I reckon the solidarity and activism we experienced in the 1950s and ‘60s, when communities worked collectively through their grassroots voluntary associations (pipe bands, silver bands, choirs, gardening, sports clubs, debating and learning, children’s galas, churches, social clubs, etc.) to improve the quality of life for their members, represents a form of municipal socialism, with its ethos of mutualism and self-help, that grew out of the trades union movement and friendly societies of the later 19th and early 20th century.
It’s easy to become all nostalgic about that municipal socialism and to regret both the fracturing of that solidarity and the dissolution of that activism into passivity and despair; it’s a big part of the hauntology of ‘the Left’ in Britain. But it does belong to a bygone age, and the material conditions that sustained it have largely disappeared with the deindustrialisation of our economy. Those conditions are not coming back again.
The thrust of Freire’s pedagogy of the oppressed was to cultivate among the proletariat an active critical consciousness that would challenge the power relations that give rise to its oppression and alienation. It was an example of how the bourgeois intelligentsia of ‘the Left’ (of which he could acknowledge himself as one) could work in solidarity with that proletariat in its struggle to liberate itself (and society in general) from that oppression and alienation. The thrust of Giroux’s pedagogy of resistance against manufactured ignorance is essentially the same. The mission of both is to restore to the proletariat its activism in the face of the passivity and despair, the oppression and alienation, to which the current power relations in our society give rise
@ John
Indeed, Freire and Giroux was and is a bourgeois intellectual, who no doubt enjoyed/enjoy a privileged life within their contemporary ‘establishments’, but that’s neither here nor.
What’s pertinent – beyond even their supposed ‘truth’ or ‘falsity’ – is whether or not their respective pedagogies support the proletariat in its struggle to liberate itself, society generally, and so-called ‘Nature’ from its oppression and alienation under the power relations that constitute the ‘establishment’, within whose matrix of official and social relations power is exercised in their respective worlds.
Well said and all to true. Where one goes from here with any hope? Damned if I know.