Scotland and the Constitution
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- The 2016 settlement brought new powers to the Scottish Parliament, especially in tax and social security. These also brought new complexity to devolution in the interaction between devolved and reserved competences and an associated fiscal framework that lacks the flexibility and maturity that a 25-year-old parliament should have.
- Brexit also profoundly reshaped the environment within which our parliament operates, accompanied by new legislation, such as the UK Internal Market Act, that have added to the complexity and eroded the authority of the Scottish Parliament.
- These developments merit a re-examination of the 2016 settlement. They also pose a genuine question for all Scotland’s political parties: is it possible for a future Scottish Government to address some of the fundamental and deep-rooted challenges that Scotland faces without looking at how the current constitutional settlement works, in particular in relation to the fiscal arrangements which shape Scotland’s budget – a budget which, in turn, shapes every aspect of policy?
- The Scottish Government and Scottish Parliament, working with the UK government, should agree to the establishment of a Commission on the Constitution on a model influenced by the recent independent, cross-party and civic commission that took place in Wales. This Commission would be tasked with reviewing the current devolution settlement with a focus on three areas:
- How it has been impacted by Brexit.
- Whether, given the current policy challenges and opportunities, the boundary between devolved and reserved competencies is correct.
- How the fiscal arrangements are working in practice.
- The work of the Commission should include a range of civic and community engagement, as part of a deliberative process that goes beyond politicians and institutions.
It attempts, in Kezia’s words to codify the route through which you leave the Union and attempts to answer the question of whether this is a voluntary Union or not.
The key paragraphs are:
- In addition, we recognise that the issue of Scotland’s future in or out of the Union was not resolved forever in 2014. If the Union is voluntary, upheld by consent and not just by law, there ought to be a recognised, legal and fair process to test, when appropriate, whether the people who live in Scotland can determine whether they want the country to remain in the Union or to transition to independence.
- The existing mechanism for triggering a unification referendum in Northern Ireland should be the basis for agreeing a pathway to a future independence referendum in Scotland. This would mean that the key test becomes whether or not it is likely that a majority of people would vote for independence in such a referendum. Meeting this test should place a legal duty on the UK government to agree to a referendum.
- The decision on whether the test had been passed would rest with the Secretary of State for Scotland, but within a set of criteria previously agreed with the Scottish Government. The threshold agreed would be such that it did not act as an insurmountable barrier but rather served to confirm the solidity of pro-independence support.
- Under our proposal, once such a referendum process is triggered, UK ministers would agree a section 30 Order to devolve the necessary competences to the Scottish Parliament, within an agreed framework, following the model of the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement.
- Victory in the referendum would be achieved on the basis of 50 per cent plus one of the votes, following the norm for constitutional referendums in the UK.
Okay.
There are some problems.
First, this account just seems to whitewash or erase the actual power dynamics at play here and act as if we are just working with honest brokers and good faith actors. Recent history suggests otherwise.
Given that, as the authors note (1.2): “Conversations that we had with journalists and political commentators at that time had as their starting point the assumption that the pro-UK side would win comfortably – a reasonable view given that polling in the days running up to the signing of the Edinburgh Agreement suggested support for the Union was at 58 per cent among those certain to vote, with independence backed by just 30 per cent of respondents.”
“Along with the fear of making things worse by blocking a referendum, there was also a sense that the anticipated victory for the pro-UK side would put the question of independence to rest for a political generation. For UK ministers, these were powerful and persuasive incentives. Compared with the transformed political environment post-2014, with independence support sitting at or above 2014 levels and political positions more clearly drawn, agreeing to a referendum in 2014 seemed a significantly easier political choice for a UK government than it would be given current circumstances.”
It seems hugely naive and avoidant of actual power relations to say, on the one hand, the only reason that David Cameron’s government agreed a referendum was because they thought it would destroy independence and on the other hand have avoided consistent mandates over time but would agree to these changes. As the authors themselves admit:
“The circumstances in 2012 that led to the Edinburgh Agreement were unique and over the past decade the prospect of a future referendum has become politically more contested – indeed, the process and possibility have become, and remain, a source of dispute and division.”
“For the UK Government, the balance of risk has shifted, given substantially higher base levels of support for an independent Scotland in the post-referendum period compared with the years preceding the 2014 referendum.”
“It is possible that a second, single-party, pro-independence majority in the Scottish Parliament, with that government elected on a clear manifesto commitment to hold an independence referendum, would be sufficient to persuade the UK government to concede a second vote. Indeed, some have indicated to us that this would have been the case in 2021, if the SNP had won outright. That may reflect a majoritarian political culture that still pervades Westminster politics, where single party majorities are the norm. In proportional representation systems, as evident in the 25 years of devolution, such an outcome is clearly exceptional.”
“Ciaran Martin, a former senior UK civil servant, has argued that whether the pro- independence majority is a single party or multiple parties “is of zero constitutional or legal significance. A majority is a majority, and … no one has attempted to define a different threshold for a trigger for a referendum.”13 Following the 2021 Scottish Parliament election, there was a pro-independence majority of SNP and Green MSPs, but this was not recognised by the UK Government as constituting a mandate for a new independence referendum, despite the subsequent Scottish Parliament vote for such a referendum.”
“Following Martin’s logic, this transformed the Union into one upheld by force of law rather than by consent.”
- Under current arrangements, the Scottish Government must balance its budget each year as a requirement of the Scotland Act. It can underspend but cannot overspend. As part of the review, consideration should be given as to whether there can be greater flexibility to balance budgets over the spending period of a parliament. This would enable front-loaded investment in prevention and public sector reform and serve a public policy purpose, given that both can unlock savings in the long term.
- The operation of the ‘no detriment’ principle is another example of where a small change in the settlement could deliver significant policy results. If Scottish Government investment produces a saving for the Treasury, for example, if investment in social housing leads to a reduction in housing benefit costs, then that saving should be passed on to the Scottish Government to incentivise and support investment in a sector that is so important in terms of both tackling poverty and inequality and supporting economic growth.
But what is absent is any analysis of why these power relations exist? Who is responsible for this state? Scotland’s devolution settlement isn’t being stymied by accident. The authors are caught in the realities of British state power. This feels like a technocratic solution to a set of power relations.
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On the podcast Andy McIver describes himself as a ‘federalist’. But this is a meaningless description. There are no routes to federalism. None. This is a myth. The idea of transcending differences is a nice idea and I am all for a period of ‘truth and reconciliation’ but it needs some truth, no just reconciliation.
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The idea of the Secretary of State for Scotland ‘monitoring the situation’ is disastrously vague. It’s really welcome that somebody is doing something about anything. But the terms of the ‘trigger’ seem very unclear. Also, the agency still lies overwhelmingly with the British state and not with the people of Scotland. Given the level of accumulated distrust and breakdown over these years this seems unlikely to gain popular support. For such a project to be successful, it would require a much deeper level of civil society participation and transparency than has been outlined.
Aye much of value in the report, but agree that too much rests on vagueness and authority of the office of secretary of state , and not enough on the people of Scotland
On the ‘follow NI’ and Secretary of State for Scotland should have a duty to trigger a referendum at most every 7 years…
To independence supporters it seems lopsided and a total cop out.
But it’s actually half right.
What’s wrong is the “reading the nation part”. The SoSfS should be compelled to issue a Section 30 order if the Scottish Parliament votes for one. That’s the fair and democratic way to do it.
I suppose where scotia is concernd betterr late than never is the order of the day
“Disastrously vague” seems to me to be a very generous description of the Stephen Noon / Kezia Dugdale proposal. “Dangerously naive” would be more like it.
The post-2014 Conservatives have shown themselves unwiling to be bound by an existing framework or agreement, even when it was proposed and agrees by themselves. Starmer radically de-socialised government has a similarly Napoleonic approach to power.
I welcome the attempt to reach out across the unionist/nationalist divide. But any serious effort needs to acknowledge the folly of any reliance on impartial good faith in Westminster.
There is only one genuinely democratic qualifier for a referendum: a motion in rhe Scottish Parlianent. If MSPs vote for a referendum, there should be one.
But it seems unlikely that any foreseeable Westminster government would ever agree to such an open-ended power. The independence movement needs to decide how to proceed without pre-approval from Westminster
@Claire McNab, possibly a bit unfair on Napoleon, even if his regime reimposed slavery and patriarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Code
Spot on Mike.
Norm is also correct in saying “The SoSfS should be compelled to issue a Section 30 order if the Scottish Parliament votes for one. That’s the fair and democratic way to do it.”.
It’s really impressive how Bella – Mike, actually – manages to respond so quickly, comprehensively, and thoughtfully, to significant developments such as this.
The two main issues with the trigger mechanism suggested are:
1. What happens when you have a Secretary of State as arrogant and obstinate as Alistair Jack, who simply refuses to accept that the conditions for a referendum have been met?
2. What happens if the conditions are met under a Scottish Government that has no interests in having a referendum?
Even if we pretend that there is a way of addressing the first point, the second point means the conditions can effectively only be met when there is a pro-independence majority at Holyrood. So as others have commented, why not simply make a majority vote in the Scottish Parliament the trigger?
This may look on the surface like a way of meeting the two sides in the middle, but in reality it is simply a fudge to make it look like something is being conceded on the unionist side, when in reality they retain all the power.
The report says “The next chapter of Scotland’s story should start from where ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ supporters can agree.” This report appears to have decided that that point is “the UK Government should get to decide if and when Scotland can vote on whether to become independent”. Well no, I don’t agree to that. This mechanism is effectively a way of trying to legitimise the Unionist assertion that there has been no mandate since 2014 to hold another referendum, because anything that suggested the conditions had been met already would highlight that this is indeed not a voluntary union.
(Although in fairness to the authors, I don’t actually think they are doing that intentionally.)
The people of Scotland should lead the way in deciding when the question is next asked, and that means giving the Scottish Parliament the power to hold a referendum when a majority of MSPs vote for one. If Unionists don’t think that is fair, then they should simply admit that they believe only the UK Government should be allowed to decide when the people of Scotland are given the chance to make their voice heard.
“This report appears to have decided that that point is “the UK Government should get to decide if and when Scotland can vote on whether to become independent.”
I agree Doug – but have asked the authors for clarification. I think they see it as making conditions which would compel the SosfS to act but its the lack of clarity about process which is a big fail imho.
Thanks for reviewing this and critiquing Mike.
Like others I think that any serious discussion about Scotland’s democracy by supporters and opponents of independence in a collegiate manner is to be welcomed.
I agree with authors In saying that there shouldn’t be another referendum unless Yes looks like winning. I also think majority of electorate would agree with this.
The proposed mechanism for triggering a referendum is, as others have stated, too vague as it still ultimately at the discretion of Westminster in the guise of the Secretary of State. I also profoundly disagree with the proposal to base the decision on polling as this is fundamentally undemocratic in a parliamentary democracy.
I would propose a double trigger for another referendum- a majority vote in Holyrood on back of an electoral vote>50% (in constituency and regional vote) for parties who have holding an independence referendum in their manifesto. This would be a better democratic measure of support for independence. In addition it is also unlikely any Holyrood government would now hold a referendum unless they thought they could win.
I know this may be unpopular but I do think that as well as a majority vote Yes that a 40% of total available electorate should vote Yes to validate. This would also get round the No side boycotting any referendum as well as ensuring a more positive mandate.
I also think it wouldn’t be unreasonable to extend the time between potential referendums to 10 years (or 2 parliaments).
Lastly if or when the NI Parliament has a majority for a referendum on Irish Unity I fully expect the vagaries around leaving decision on referendum to Westminster to become a serious bone of contention.
“I know this may be unpopular but I do think that as well as a majority vote Yes that a 40% of total available electorate should vote Yes to validate. This would also get round the No side boycotting any referendum as well as ensuring a more positive mandate.”
Actually it does the complete opposite, because it effectively turns non-voters into No voters. It gives the No side even more reason to try and turn people off from even bothering to vote. It gives them the impetus to get people who they know can’t be bothered voting registered to vote so they can be added onto the No vote. And all it would do is lead to calls for a re-run when Yes gets over 50% of the vote, but doesn’t reach that threshold.
There must be no advantage given to either side. Nobody would argue that 40% should vote No in order for the Union to remain, so neither should that threshold be placed on the Yes side.
There are administrative issues as well. The electoral register is not perfect. There are people who are double-registered for various reasons – I saw a perfect example of this when I was looking at marked registers from the recent election this week, with someone being double registered because they’d missed out the ‘ in their name the second time. Now that isn’t an issue when it comes to going to vote, because the election staff are savvy enough to realise what’s happened and just mark it down as an accidental double registration when the person comes to vote. There are also people who are still registered at an old address because the new occupants can’t be bothered responding to the annual canvass letters that get sent out by the Electoral Registration Officer to let them know those people no longer live there.
These things don’t cause issues when voting (although they should probably be addressed), but they would absolutely cause an issue if you’re simply taking the number of people who voted Yes and comparing it to the total number of people on the register.
No. If you want your opinion to count, you go out and vote. If you can’t be bothered, then you forfeit the right to have an impact on the result.
Douglas – I am an independence supporter and I remember 1979 devolution referendum. I was against 40% rule then which was a political insertion but upon reflection I think it is a valid point in a referendum where there are only two options change or the status quo. In such a binary referendum I do think that if someone cannot be bothered voting it would indicate they don’t particularly want change. Not voting can be interpreted as a repudiation of the side that wants change. My opinion on this has hardened since Brexit vote (37% of total UK electorate voted to Leave) and this has left a bitterly divided nation with anomalies of significant sections of nation (Scotland, NI, London) feeling especially bitter. 37% of total electorate also voted Yes in 2014 Referendum which shows the anomalies of referendums. In a parliamentary election where parties are standing on policy manifesto’s I agree that if you don’t vote you don’t get a say because you don’t care enough to vote. I would however question how functioning a democracy is if electoral participation falls below 60% of total electorate and how valid the mandate is eg Labour in Westminster election only received 20% of total electorate.
With regard to boycotting election I would point you to what happened in Catalan referendum where boycott was used to invalidate a vote. I would strongly suggest that if another referendum was being held where No expected to lose they would use a boycott to try and invalidate result as a last resort. Any proposed boycott would lead to Yes supporters to consider not voting unless there was a specific target they could achieve that would invalidate a boycott.
Like it or not the No side achieved >40% of total vote in 2014 and this will be used as a yardstick for Yes side in any future referendums
Lastly a 40% level should be the minimum that the Yes side should be achieving to ensure that the Scottish government can negotiate independence settlement from a position of strength and to ensure a more united nation post independence. I evidence this comment with how every region of Scotland voted for devolution in 1997 and how this negated the vested interests that were (and still are) opposed to devolution. I contrast this the deep split in the UK post 2016 Brexit referendum.
I want to see an independent Scotland but also want it to prosper and succeed post independence.
“Not voting can be interpreted as a repudiation of the side that wants change.”
Not really – they are simply saying they don’t care about the issue in question enough to exercise an opinion one way or the other. There is a massive difference between “don’t care if it happens” and “do not want it to happen”, and we do not have a right to reinterpret their non-action one way or the other.
In 2014, the No side were screaming “DANGER! DANGER!” at people, and 15% of the population went “meh, whatever.” That was just as much a repudiation of their argument as it was of ours.
“With regard to boycotting election I would point you to what happened in Catalan referendum where boycott was used to invalidate a vote.”
The Yes side got 39.59% of the registered electorate in that referendum. The result wasn’t invalidated because the Yes side failed to get an extra 0.41% of the electorate, and having a 40% threshold wouldn’t have stopped the No side boycotting it. A legally-binding referendum, which is what is being proposed by this paper, is not the same situation as the Catalan referendum, which Spain ruled as illegal.
And we should be careful about accepting the unionist spin about the danger of ending up in a post-Brexit kind of scenario. Do you seriously think those who voted Leave would have simply sat back and accepted it if their vote was denied by an arbitrary threshold?
There is something particularly deceitful about turnout thresholds. If we’re going to insist that change can only happen if some arbitrarily-decided higher bar is reached, then it would be far more honest to simply say Yes has to get 55% or 60% of the vote of those who turned out. At least that way campaigners know what they’re really aiming for. But that would still be unfair.
The kind of definitive confirmation you’re seeking would be far more fairly achieved using mandatory voting.
I agree with Douglas on this one.
Douglas – as I support independence I would be happy with 50%+1 to achieve it.
A referendum is now the established method and Yes will require to win another referendum to gain international recognition & support.
I support independence because I firmly believe that in medium to long term it will be beneficial both economically and socially to people living in Scotland. I also recognise that it could be disruptive and potentially difficult in first few years especially as we negotiate the terms of independence agreement. I am firmly of belief that the larger the majority in favour of Yes the less difficult the transition period may be.
My suggestion of a 40% threshold was based on looking at 2014 results and recognition that in all probability to win any future referendum Yes will require to >40% of total electorate (1.8 million).
If Yes are ahead in polls prior to another referendum the media will be trying to depress turnout by saying outcome is a fire gone conclusion.
The chances of Yes winning with <40% of vote are pretty minimal in any circumstances. It would be a narrow victory based on a lower turnout and there is every chance that Westminster would immediately use this to question validity of result.
My suggestion is therefore primarily to:
1)improve chance of getting a Section 30 agreement from Westminster.
2)encourage as high a Yes turnout as possible
3)minimise chance of Westminster not accepting result.
In 1979 Yes won with 37% of total electorate and while plenty of people were disappointed I don’t remember there being a revolt about outcome. Even people like myself who voted in favour of devolution found it difficult to argue that the wishes of majority of electorate were being ignored.
It is fascinating that the one common denominator between the 1979,2014 & 2016 Referendums is that the figure of 37% of total electorate was achieved by Yes in 19979 & 2014 and Leave in 2016 – make of that what you will.
Lastly I am personally not in favour of mandatory voting as a matter of principle but am in favour of making the voting process as accessible and easy for everyone as possible.
Cheers
This report is very welcome, though it can’t be the last word on the subject. I think the key positive is its recognition that, if the Union is indeed voluntary, there must be an agreed mechanism to leave it. However, it’s not obvious to me that copying the arrangements in place for Northern Ireland is the right approach for Scotland, in view of the very different sets of power relations involved. First, because the Irish Government will be a key player in the Irish case, with no equivalent in Scotland. And second, because the Scottish establishment is so integral to the British state. The democratic element in any such arrangements for a future divorce between Scotland and the rest of the UK needs to be strengthened to counterbalance this and carry the level of consent achieved (through referendums) by the Good Friday Agreement in Ireland.
The podcast’s advertising, sponsorship and brand-dropping (Brewdog?!) may not break any rules, but it makes its criticism of who pays for Keir Starmer’s corrupt freebies ridiculously hypocritical. Anodyne opinion and personality politics doesn’t help either. At least Kezia Dugdale has moved on from ‘the electorate are too stupid/small-minded/politically ignorant to think about constitutional matters’.
The ‘Test’ sounds awfy woolly, autocratic and subjective, vulnerable to manipulation and override (given we’re likely to see more ’emergency conditions’ in the foreseeable future). Opinion polling is highly problematic. As is using election results. Or placing power in partisan politicians. And the dreadful 50%+1 low bar.
Thanks for the summary, I don’t think I need bother with the 50-page document. The problems lie in the British imperial quasi-Constitution and elsewhere.
Interesting. However all the focus on NIs political framework regarding the constitution, they don’t seem to grasp the need to consider the economic dimension. It is clear NI has a clear advantage in being both in and out of EU jurisdiction with that regard. I would envisage a similar arrangement for Scotland would be very profitable for the Scotland’s economy and people. Having a large chuck of the UK engaging with the EU maybe illustrate the rest of the UK that rejoining would be in their interests or at least see the benefit of integrating and aligning Scotland more with the trading block and making any future constitutional change towards independence within Europe. Something has to change or I fear Scotland will just become more of a backwater fiefdom than it is now.
Further to my point, we should be looking at Where Constitutions Go Horribly Wrong. I’ve been reading Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations by Ronen Bergman (2018, 2019). Obviously the British quasi-Constitution is a charter for imperial crime, but it spawned another in Israel, which inherited British Mandate state-of-emergency regulations: including extreme censorship on military and intelligence activity that continues to time of writing says Bergman, that was transposed into even greater editorial self-censorship.
This is backed up by this week’s edition of The Listening Post, which says that Israel violently closed Al Jazeera’s office in Ramallah using a media censorship law dating back to the British Mandate.
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-listening-post/2024/9/27/israel-escalates-to-de-escalate-with-hezbollah
Bergman writes that David Ben-Gurion ran both Shin Bet and Mossad as Prime Minister, and military intelligence as Defence minister, an enormous concentration of power kept secret from Israeli public. p31 “In fact, mentioning the name Shin Bet or Mossad in public was prohibited until the 1960s.”
“Israeli intelligence from the outset occupied a shadow realm, one adjacent to but separate from the country’s democratic institutions.” without effective supervision from Knesset etc. There was a culture of ‘anything goes’ for national security: racist surveillance, torture, perjury in courts and concealment of truth from legal authorities: no death penalty, but Ben-Gurion ordered extrajudicial executions.
This is like the royal prerogative exercised by the British Crown. Indeed, it clearly seems based upon it. Just like in the British Empire, large swathes of policy are exempt from democratic interference in Israel. They had the opportunity to adopt a codified constitution, but for some reasons never did.
Now, this is of utmost importance for the Constitution of an Independent Scotland, and something we have to sort out *first*, otherwise the endeavour will be compromised from the outset by official secrecy, royal prerogative, intelligence/security/militarisation domination of ‘national security’, secret laws, courts and committees, undemocratic treaties with nations and corporations and the like, and so on.
As a parting gift to the remnant of the British Empire, we should do our best to get their house in order too.