Stop the World We Need to Get Off
Scotland is the nation that invented everything, except itself. Now we are at an Interregnum, an idea from Gramsci’s Prison Notebooks in which ‘[t]he crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear’.
In Scotland, this means a period of tittle-tattle and gossip over Salmond and Sturgeon’s disputed legacy that leads us nowhere other than bitter rancour, which will not, and cannot be resolved. In place of strategy, we have anecdote; in place of meaningful dialogue or unity, we have personal animus and tribalism. The answer is not going to come from the Old Guard slugging it out, but an entirely new guard listening and strategising and outlining an entirely new prospectus.
In England, the Interregnum means a period of watching as a new populist Left emerges from the shambles of the Starmer regime, or the country decays into Farage’s Fever Dream.
Some of the coverage of the end of the old regimes is hilarious. Alex Massie, apparently seriously, suggests that Sturgeon was sustained by something called the ‘London Left’ [ London’s left indulged the Nicola Sturgeon fantasy], surely a phantom of the Unionist Right that doesn’t bear much examination. In a massive statement of the obvious, in the Guardian, Martin Kettle writes: ” The most important thing about Sturgeon’s political career is not whether she was relatable, good on television or better than the men. Pretty obviously, she was all three. It is whether she was right to be a nationalist. In my book, she was wrong. From her teenage years, Sturgeon’s overriding political goal has been to break up the United Kingdom. It still is.”
Who knew?
Across the pages, Iain MacWhirter takes the opposite view from Kettle, arguing that: “The Tragedy of Nicola Sturgeon: she was never a Scottish Nationalist.”
Too much? Not enough? It depends on where on the incredibly narrow political spectrum your white male columnists decide.
None of this feeding-frenzy matters.
Getting On and Off
The world has moved on, since Winnie Ewing uttered the immortal words ‘Stop the world, Scotland wants to get on’ in 1967. Now, it’s increasingly obvious that – in 2025 and beyond – Scotland needs to ‘get off’ the world that is predicated on endless growth, extractivism, fossil fuel economics and a commitment to the moral depravity that is support for, and involvement in genocide. All of this requires a complete break from the British state and a complete break from the disastrous economic orthodoxies that have led us into poverty, grotesque social inequality and a mindset which is rapidly destroying the ecological system on which, ultimately, we all depend.
At some level, almost everyone knows this.
‘Independence is Normal’ goes the slogan, and so it is. But so too is the routine abuse of power that comes with states of every size. Actually imagining and enacting something genuinely different is clearly the task at hand. This is way beyond a theatre of personality politics and tribes as we are currently seeing played out, and also way beyond the idea of ‘course correction’ or new strategems. It may even be beyond the idea that party politics or mainstream politics delivers change, there is no real evidence to support this claim, even if it is the operating system in which most discourse takes place.
Our colleagues in Believe in Scotland have posted on the fact that Independence support jumps 5% if you tell people an independent Scotland will be a republic: “People want radical change not ‘an everything will be the same indy Scotland’. They think it’s not worth the risk if nothing much is going to change!”
So, let’s do it. The first plank of a completely new plan for independence must be for a Scottish Republic. It’s 2025. Just as the disruptors of Farage or Sultana slug it out amid a failing system, so too in Scotland we need a new politics. The old dictum (from Blair and beyond) that you ‘only win from the centre’ is so obviously redundant to everyone apart from the commentariat that cling to old shibboleths and trundle out the same tired old prose. The Centrist political project has collapsed, and this has consequences for Scotland.
As Jonathan Shafi wrote a few weeks ago [No referendum is coming. Let’s drop the ‘Yes’ and refocus]: “There is no door-knocking to be done, and no community outreach to be had. Instead, this has to be a period of ideas. It is not impossible to make the independence question the gravitational pole for the most interesting and dynamic political thinking available. This involves opening big debates about Scotland’s role in the world, and about its economic future. We should be producing more theorists, writers and speakers building on the best radical traditions we have.”
I suspect that Jonathon and I might not agree on what these might be, but I have to agree with his analysis that: “For this to happen, we would need to escape the bandwidth as proscribed by the [SNP] on the one hand, and the main Westminster parties on the other to rebuild and rethink the foundations and principles of the project as a whole. To make them fit for the world as it is today … At present, it does not exist in any meaningful or political form. And here, you cannot avoid politics. The British state is becoming more authoritarian, so the response has to be to uphold civil liberties. Privatisation has failed, so the response has to be rooted in bringing our resources into democratic control. The UK Government has been arming a genocide, so the response must be to advocate for an entirely new foreign policy based on peace and justice. Only once the base achieves ideological coherence can there be a serious campaign which aims to reach out to wider sections of society.”
He’s not wrong, and this is not just the failure of a handful of personalities or a generation of political leaders. They did what they could from the world they had inherited. They failed, not out of treachery or incompetence but because they were (and are) trapped in a political system which doesn’t work anymore. As the late, great Ursula Le Guin had it: “We live in capitalism, its power seems inescapable – but then, so did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings.”
The Union seems inescapable and a hundred scribes and more have careers dedicated to telling you this is so, even when they themselves can’t believe it.

Britain has changed, it has been transformed since the Blair era. The descent of British political values – and a salient reason to exit this Union as fast as possible – comes with the anniversary of Robin Cook’s passing. He came from an era when Scots politicians could have serious heavyweight influence at Cabinet level, and when serious ideas, such as floating the notion of an ‘ethical Foreign Policy’ could be taken seriously.
To be fair, they weren’t taken too seriously, were they? His resignation in March 2003 – twenty-two years ago marks a passing of time but is also a useful barometer of political change. Cook’s resignation from his positions as Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons on March 17, 2003, in protest against the invasion of Iraq is unthinkable today, in era when Labour proscribe Palestine Action and arrest grannies en masse and roll-out facial recognition tech.
There will not be another Robin Cook in British history, and this is a low bar. We are where we are but it’s a long way from where we were.
Back to the Future
The task ahead of us not just to re-orient ourselves around this reality, or recover from the myths and tragedies of neoliberalism, but to cast aside the gaslighting of the British State and media that there are any circumstances in which it is okay to be embroiled in genocide, or in which siding with a quasi-fascist like Donald Trump could be excused under the pretence of ‘pragmatism’.
Back to Shafi’s idea that we should “be producing more theorists, writers and speakers building on the best radical traditions we have.” By definition, I don’t know what the future theorists, writers and speakers’ will be – though I do know they will be future-focused and as far from the current clutch as can be imagined.
But what are the best radical traditions we might draw on? To ‘escape the bandwidth’ we might look to figures as diverse and iconoclastic as Jimmy Reid, Nan Shepherd, RD Laing, AS Neill, Mary Barbour, John Maclean, James Connolly, Elsie Inglis, John McGrath, or Geoff Shaw – or a thousand other under-recognised figures. We would need to look beyond them as individuals as beacons of clarity or insight, and see what movements they represented and came out of. Reassessing and establishing and archiving our own past would provide a rich seam to mine for, paradoxically, new ideas on social housing, land ownership, healthcare, political organisation, mental health, or our relationship with nature.
This might, or might not, seem a laudable platform to transcend the current impasse. You might rule it out in favour of ‘one last heave’ or some other wild strategem – ‘Go to the UN!’ springs to mind. However, stay with me, if you can.
There’s another element that is going to make this difficult, and that is the calling of romance and melancholy that particularly affects the Left, and, regularly afflicts the Scots. We are enthralled to grandiose romantic failure and we are addicted to it. We are enthralled to both a Left and a Scottish melancholia. The Scots version: the King Across the Water, we might be familiar with, from BPC, to John Smith, to Kate Forbes to Alex Salmond, is familiar to us all. It serves the purpose of succumbing to a state of perpetual regret. It is a romantic melancholy that allows us to dwell in the past and in victimhood.
JK Gibson Graham (a pen name shared by feminist economic geographers Julie Graham and Katherine Gibson) writes of the Left equivalent:
“… in which attachment to a past political analysis or identity is stronger than the interest in present possibilities for mobilisation, alliance or transformation…”
“Rather than grieving and letting go, the melancholic subject identifies with lost ideals, experiencing their absence as feelings of desolation and ejection…’We come to love our left passions and reasons, our left analyses and convictions, more than we love the existing world that we presumably seek to alter’.
So as well as moving beyond a narrow band-width of political, economic and cultural thinking, we also need to transcend the tradition of melancholic victimhood and reminiscence of what ‘might have been’. It’s disabling and disempowering.
With this task in mind, the publication of Nicola Sturgeon’s memoirs could act as a bookend to an era. We might divide recent Scottish history into phases that run from the post-war era 1945-1967, dominated by both British hegemony and cultural upheaval; the 1967-1997 period with the rise of Scottish nationalism alongside Thatcherism ultimately led to Devolution; and the 1997-2026 era in which Blairism and then Tory rule culminated in both the referendums for Scottish independence and Brexit.
We are now in a period beyond that, a period dominated by Gramsci’s ‘morbid symptoms’ in which everything seems moribund and stuck. However painful, this period is unlikely to last forever. The crisis of British Labour has deep (and largely unacknowledged) consequences for the Union – and if we can go beyond the matters of personality politics and re-build a movement for change, we can climb out of the present morass and move towards a brighter future.

Fabulous i love this
Thanks Andrew
Just so. The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.
If folk are actually serious about the constitutional tradition of popular sovereignty then It seems obvious.
On the the other hand, the data might need a bt if work. That ‘believe in Scotland’ poll number of 59% might mean that you get a bump of 5% with the republican commitment, but it might also reflect that it was a pretty loaded question.
Great article.
Gramsci to the rescue! Reading this, for the first time in a while I feel the stirrings of the optimism of the will.
What a great piece, and I really hope it gets read widely. But not everyone within the independence movement has given up on community outreach. This for example, yesterday in Edinburgh:
https://youtu.be/fR4zgSdQUqs
Thank you Mike, some things to think about, and act upon. A bit above my head in places, I know little of Gramsci, for instance. But you are totally right about the need for radical, revolutionary change, if we are to survive. If you’ve ever read any of my ofttimes turgid contributions to these pages, the first thing I have insisted on is that any Scot wishing to promote independence must already have a constitution to promote. That is what your Scottish brains trust first has to construct. It will be first beholden to what I have called “The New Ecological Enlightenment” – a year or two (or however) long intellectual endeavour that will supersede Adam Smith and all of your old guard of thinkers, not totally but where they now fail – and that’s a lot of places. A country of 1.5 million people in a world of 800 million had some wonderful ideas but which are no longer relevant in a world population ten times as large, using the planet’s resources at a hundred times the rate, occupying every ecological niche on the planet now under existential threat by climate change. When you have your agreed constitution, then and only then do you put it to the public to say aye or nay to independence. (So many details, defence, immigration – will there be a military border, will the English have any right of abode. What happens if you succeed in making Scotland work, and a few million English in their failed state think they might wish to share? Just so much to think about, none of which can be brushed over) Otherwise what are you asking them? (The only place I’d differ from you is that I am an avowed monarchist, and would keep a ceremonial and constitutional King or Queen of Scotland, for old times sake and continuity of culture and history – I’ll be shot down in flames for that but so what, I’m too old to bother. I really would advise your nation to keep its more colourful trappings and not abandon them to a churlish republicanism just for the sake of it – you’d lose so much more than you think.) . Thanks for your time, folks, JKM New Zealand
Perhaps we can drop the “Scots invented everything” myth? And if the Italian Gramsci’s contributions are so valuable, why restrict our mining of radical traditions to Scotland? I think on most historical views, Scotland has been a fairly socially conservative (often reactionary, sometimes worse) society for many centuries with less revolutionary fervour than most comparable ones. Of course, radical traditions are those likely to be most suppressed, unless they fit the requirements of some section of the establishment.
David Alston writes in Slaves and Highlanders: Silenced Histories of Scotland and the Caribbean (2021), p235 about:
“the Scottish doctor Robert Knox — who published his most influential work in 1850 and had been described, with some justification, as ‘the real founder of British racism’”, and I’m still waiting for Bella to respond to the recent Edinburgh University report on
Decolonised Transformations: Confronting the University of Edinburgh’s History and Legacies of Enslavement and Colonialism.
by Tommy Curry, Nicola Frith and the Research and Engagement Working Group.
https://www.ed.ac.uk/about/race-review/read-the-review
which was a major news story.
I think it is now widely accepted that Scottish intellectuals have until very recently been (mostly) in collective denial about such aspects of our past, and it has taken mostly outside events and influences to break this silence.
That doesn’t stack up. The career of Robert Knox and his part in the creation of scientific racism is well known. What’s far more interesting is how Scottish intellectuals dynamically exploited the market opportunities of the 19th century demographic explosion. Victorian values were made – or invented – in Scotland.
@Innes_K, I’m a little sceptical of that. I’m also sceptical of polls, but a recent one from the David Hume Institute came up with:
“Survey reveals more than one in two (56%) of people in Scotland have not heard of the Scottish Enlightenment or Scotland’s most famous philosopher, David Hume.”
https://davidhumeinstitute.org/latest-news/2025/6/9/press-release-over-half-of-scots-have-never-heard-of-the-scottish-enlightenment
And if they haven’t heard of those…
Obviously Bella isn’t taking suggestions from me, but it might be interesting for someone to commission a poll covering the kinds of historical and cultural topics and figures Bella is (rightly) interested in, to try to gauge what public awareness (or careness) there is among Scots.
The reasons I have for believing my point about Scottish intellectuals may not be entirely sound either, although enough points have been made on the BBC, in hot-topic news and activism that I suppose the old guard must be held in some public suspicion of whitewashing our past. I wonder if WW2 is still generally sacrosanct, despite all the glaring mythologising and omissions.
Michelle Moffat, Scottish society in the second world-war (2023)
Just bought that on Saturday (Slaves and Highlanders). I’m looking forward to it.
“Perhaps we can drop the “Scots invented everything” myth?”
– it was clearly a rhetorical exercise, though the Scottish Enlightenment was a real thing.
“If the Italian Gramsci’s contributions are so valuable, why restrict our mining of radical traditions to Scotland?”
– I don’t.
“I’m still waiting for Bella to respond to the recent Edinburgh University report on
Decolonised Transformations: Confronting the University of Edinburgh’s History and Legacies of Enslavement and Colonialism.”
– please forward a list of all the issues and reports you need a response to globally and we’ll make sure we meet all of your needs asap
Especially rhetorically.
Sure, whatever.
The Guardian has published over a dozen pieces on the “Edinburgh race report” including an article by past Bella contributor Hannah Lavery in which the former Edinburgh Makar (currently appearing in “Disrupting the Narrative” shows) says this work is foundational, not merely symbolic.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/series/edinburgh-race-report
I appreciate the view of this article, but I feel the need to offer something of a counterpoint.
I doubt that I am alone in thinking that I’ve read enough, seen enough and heard enough about where I believe Scotland should go as an independent country. I’m more interested in getting to the point of implementation and having these discussions for real, rather than in-theory.
I don’t think you should underestimate the level of frustration with the current impasse. I am far more interested in addressing that, than what we do two stages later, having not only solved how we go about getting a referendum, but also winning it. I’m more bothered with the here and now.
Back in December, we had some propaganda coming out from this side of the movement concerning an increase in polling support for Indy. The clickbait headline from The National was “Scottish independence support at highest level in four years”. Yes.Scot posted a nice pie chart meme with the text, “Biggest lead for Yes in over four years” (54/46). But it was, at the minimum, misleading, at worst, a lie.
This all came from a single poll where the pollster had commented that this had been the biggest lead THEY had seen in over four years of THEIR polling. This information was actually in the National article (bloody headline writers, eh?). The actuality was that we had seen this level of support in polls much more recently than over four years prior – it had actually been that high just under two years prior to that poll.
It’s a curious one. Why play on the highest support for four years line, when it was really two? Purely because of the headline? There’s a headline that says that so let’s go with it, even though it’s not accurate without all the context? At least the article provided that context for the headline. The meme did not.
I smelt another reason for going with it. In checking the polls and when that level of support had last occurred, I couldn’t help but notice that it was early 2023 – several weeks after the Supreme Court ruling. That’s when the dip had started to occur, and of course it rose back last December, a few months after Starmer’s Labour had been in power. Pretty sure of the correlation matching the causation in both respects.
Pretty sure also that the SNP run yes.scot didn’t want to draw attention to the fact that pro-Indy polling demonstrated that support fell when the SC shut the door on an entirely Holyrood run referendum. I acknowledge that a sloppy failure to check the facts could also explain things and be responsible for yes.scot and their inaccurate meme, but that is hardly an encouraging alternative – which IMO is less likely.
My point here is that it is important for independence not just to have the thinkers and planners for the future when we have the power to implement those ideas, and indeed for things the Scot Parly can do now, but to also ground it in reality and address the logjam of the here and now. Support suffered when the SC closed the door on that route out.
Without a clear route to Indy, you can have great ideas flying out of every orifice about what to do when Scotland is Indy, but there’s plenty of people who will turn around and say, “What’s the point when there’s no tangible route?” When the PM can just bat it off with the most paltry of excuses, regardless of whether there is a pro-Indy majority of MSPs or even of Scottish MPs.
Whilst the parties are in at least public denial that they can do anything about this at Holyrood (having already shied away from a very risky de facto referendum that would ask e.g. pro-Indy Labour voters to vote for a pro-Indy MSP from another party, which Westminster probably wouldn’t recognise anyway), they also refuse to acknowledge that all they have to offer in order to get a referendum is essentially, ask Wm for a S30 or ask to have Indyref Powers devolved (not even clear if the former or latter is SNP policy, when the SGP have specified the latter).
Neither of our main pro-Indy parties go beyond the implication that can be drawn from what else they say and do, that following the SC ruling, power is not in their hands, so promises of gaining Indy by voting for them seem derisory.
So yes, whilst the political parties won’t even acknowledge that they are impotent on Indy, we should seek alternative routes, and of course we could have that through the grassroots Liberation Scotland. This is an initiative that also demonstrates that the parties are impotent, so in their denial of their own circumstances, they are also in denial of the existence of this possible route to Indy, that they do not control and cannot take credit for, hence the #DeafeningSilence from them on it.
We need thinkers and planners for the here and now. We need people to look at possible alternatives to the UN route being taken, in case it fails somewhere down the line. We need people to be looking at viable routes to Indy as well as what to do when we get it.
Fuck, it’s a sociology project for nationalists.
Stopped reading at the hateful “white male” sneer.
Brilliant
A sneer? An accurate description, more like. The most ridiculous amongst them, I thought, was Martin Kettle whose bandwidth is so narrow he just could not get past the ‘nationalism’.
Though Mike did (unconsciously?) rectify the gender imbalance a bit by referring to him as Martine.
@Paddy Farrington, personally I didn’t know how to interpret “Scottish Enlitlement”. Is that the opposite of ’embiggening’?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/embiggening
Well, even Aristotle wasn’t above employing humour rhetorically.
If you had read further on you might have learned something.
“It depends on where on the incredibly narrow political spectrum your white male columnists decide.”
What a silly comment.
These columnists are all white males who are middle aged (like myself). You could add Andrew Neil, Kevin McKenna, Andy McIver, Jim Spence to this list. The commentary pile on has been predominantly from this community of commentators and they are all middle aged white males. This in itself is very revealing about journalism in Scotland in 2020’s. The fact that you take umbrage with this statement says far more about your insecurity than anything else,
I don’t take umbrage at silly comments.
The fact that you also choose to support it and and add to the silliness shows that you remain wedded to student politics despite your claimed advancing years.
Grow up.
Your huffy, insulting reply amply makes my point. I can assure you I am a long way past student politics (which never interested me). I am not only more aware that I probably know more now I am more mature but am also aware that there is a lot more I don’t know and understand which seems to be missing in many people of my age and background. It’s called reflecting and trying to have self awareness- I recommend you try it.
Cheers
You’re just rambling now.
I was trying to be polite and philosophical about wisdom and age. You are obviously unable to to do either so I will give you a piece of advice you might understand. You come over as a grumpy, argumentative, rude old geezer and it makes you look really petty. Try engaging with the substance of the article than looking for something to be offended about.
Scratch your eyes out, dear.
Just lowered myself to your apparent level of debate from reading your comments!
Don’t be such a snowflake.
What’s a “snowflake” love?
Look in the mirror!
What’s wrong with student politics? Students have been brilliant on solidarity with Palestine, for example.
Including Andy McIver in your list seems cruelly unfair. The fact that he suffers from terminal piles does not make him middle aged.
I cannot help wonder what being white in this context means though when discussing Sturgeon’s nationalism and break up of the Union. How is it relevant? It does come across as a lazy, stereotypical characterisation and a way to undermine through generalised personal attack rather then actual argument (and an attack on a group that can do literally nothing about what the negatives are defined upon i.e. being white, male and middle-aged).
@Niemand, ever since I read Nothing Ever Dies: Vietnam and the Memory of War, by Viet Thanh Nguyen (2016), I have been wondering what the collective effect of what the author calls (literary) ‘ventriloquism’ is. Because of the bias in literary privilege, we perhaps hear a wide range of characters speaking who are puppeted by a narrow literary elite (as well as silenced voices, of course).
Compared with the apparently open characteristics of these white, male, middle-aged opinion writers, I wonder if literary writers pose more of a problem?
Back to my student days studying contemporary issues in British politics, it was often the hidden characteristics, like political police chiefs being secret Freemasons, that was held by some to be the more problematic form of identity politics. There are a lot of examples of this kind of thing. Who can really be trusted as a spokesperson (perhaps self-appointed) or exemplar of a group? Isn’t social class and shared narrow backgrounds and circles rather more of a concern than being ‘white, male and middle-aged’ when considering how chummy the apparently contesting cliques of parliaments are in its bars and restaurants? Bella has written about these links, often cemented by marriages like our centuries-old domination by a system of dynastic marriages.
Put another way, who should we be watching out for? Just like ye olden times, it’s the landlords:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2025/jul/11/why-jamaicans-cant-access-their-own-beaches
which obviously here includes the likes of Jeremy Clarkson etc as well as swathes of political representatives and of course the Royal Family.