Groypers, Charlie Kirk and a new Turning Point
If you didn’t know who Charlie Kirk was until this week, you probably don’t know who Nick Feuntes is. You should.
Having instantly and desperately labelled the suspected killer of Charlie Kirk as a far-left fanatic, or a trans activist, MAGA America is coming to terms with the fact that he is a white Christian from an ultra-Conservative Republican family with links to the Groyper movement.
The Governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, even said, disappointedly: “I was praying that it was an immigrant.”
‘It’ was not. To get an insight into Tyler Robinson’s motives is to get inside the dark world of America’s far-far right, a world of memes and internecine warfare. It’s an exploration that defies the myth of the completely unified far-right, but also points that things could get still-darker.
Tyler Robinson is a Groyper, the far-right internet movement led by Nick Fuentes which believes people like Charlie Kirk to be too liberal. Robinson dressed up as Pepe – the comic book character appropriated by the far-right – for Halloween. The stuff scratched into the bullets all refer to rightwing video games and groyper imagery, this is not “trans or leftist ideology”. In America’s post-fact society, it probably doesn’t matter, but it looks highly likely that MAGA’s enemy is to their right.

Groypers are a movement that promotes white nationalist ideals, including opposition to immigration, advocacy for a “Christian America,” and virulent criticism of multiculturalism, globalism, and Jewish influence in politics and media.

Fuentes so-called “Groyper Army”, which had been waging the “Groyper Wars” against mainstream Republicans, including specifically Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA represents the dregs of the ‘always online’ world of radicalised young men. But it would be foolish to underestimate its influence and potential.


Who is Nick Fuentes?
Fuentes is a white supremacist whose views mix extreme misogyny, homophobia, incelism, and anti-semitism. Multiple sources describe him as a neo-Nazi [Neo-Nazi Trump dinner guest Nick Fuentes laments Kanye’s antisemitism apology]. He may be best known for his support for Trump and his infamous tweet on the night of Trump’s election: “Your body, My Choice.” As Moira Donegan explained [‘Your body, my choice’: what misogynistic Trump supporters feel about sexual power]:
“The Trump campaign positioned itself as a champion of a hierarchical gender order, aiming to restore men to a place of wrongfully deprived supremacy over women. Many of his voters cast their lot in with Trump hoping that he would do just that.”
Now, after Trump’s victory, some of his supporters have adopted a slogan which neatly joins the movement’s twin projects of forced sex and forced pregnancy: “Your body, my choice.”
“Your body, my choice,” was coined by the far-right, pro-Nazi internet troll and Trump dinner guest Nick Fuentes on the night of the election. “Your body, my choice,” Fuentes tweeted. “Forever.” It’s a taunting inversion of the pro-choice slogan “my body, my choice”, meant to assert women’s autonomy: instead, “your body, my choice” presents women’s full citizenship and freedom as laughable, asserting, in gleeful terms, the male supremacy that will now carry for the force of policy and law under a new Trump administration.”
Fuentes attended the 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, (one of the “very fine people”) and was also an attendee and speaker at events preceding the January 6 United States Capitol attack. His dinner meeting with Donald Trump and Kanye West was widely condemned. Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League which campaigns against bigotry and antisemitism, condemned Trump’s meeting with Fuentes and expressed shock at the development. “Nick Fuentes is among the most prominent and unapologetic antisemites in the country,” Greenblatt told the New York Times. “He’s a vicious bigot and known Holocaust denier who has been condemned by leading figures from both political parties here.”

Fuentes’ world is one that was previously hidden from view, in the dank recesses of the internet. But even though it has now spilled into the mainstream, it remains incomprehensible to most outside its codes and signifiers.
One characteristic of this world is the online ability to ‘swarm’ against anyone considered its opponents. As the authors of Post-Internet Far Right have noted:
“This capacity of the swarm – to be weaponised against its leaders, particularly its less explicitly radical ones – has been clearest in the case of ‘Groyping’, a tactic that sprang up around white nationalist content creator Nick Fuentes and his attempt to influence the mainstream conservative movement. ‘Groypers’ made interventions at the rallies of Turning Point USA, an astroturfed conservative movement, where besuited white nationalists asked leading questions on Zionism, tolerance of homosexuality, and other issues of importance for the far right.”
“The aim is to expose the contradictions within conservatism and humiliate the speaker by tying him in knots. The intention for Groypers is to open the (mostly) one-way trap door from conservatism to fascism. The tactic is similar to one used by The League of Empire Loyalists, a group established in the 1950s in defence of the British Empire, who practiced the same kind of interventions at right-wing or otherwise establishment events.”
A Post-Trump Dystopia
The revelations about the reality of Kirk’s killer – rather than the imagined and projected paranoid one ” – “I was praying that it was an immigrant” – means there’s less talk of a ‘civil war’ today. But if the horrific events show a glimpse into MAGA and America’s neo-Nazi subculture, it’s also a sobering insight into what might come next. Imagining a political regime worse than that of Donald Trump may seem ridiculous, even obscene, but that’s the world we’re in. One scenario pictures Trump’s reign giving way to a JD Vance succession.
Richard Hanania has charted how the Overton Window of America’s far-right continues to travel right, without a threshold. He calls this the ‘Based Arc of Conservatism’, by which he means “The Based Ritual involves flaunting your connoisseurship of racism, sexism, and reactionary ideas in various forms” to establish that you are part of the same subculture.
He argues that this trajectory moves ever further rightward, and “it is unrealistic to think that the taboo on antisemitism will be the one to hold.” Following this logic Hanania contends that the only thing that can stop a post-Trump JD Vance succession is a Bannon-Groyper Alliance.
He writes: “I don’t expect most Republican presidential candidates to openly talk about the “Jewish question” in 2028, but they will be increasingly friendly to those that do, and dogwhistle to them when they can on issues like Epstein and Israel. Supporters of the Jewish state in Washington have done a good job of holding onto positions of influence at the upper reaches of the GOP even as the ground under them has shifted. But every trend is against them. A movement that makes racism, anti-foreigner paranoia, and conspiracy theories central to its worldview will always exist uncomfortably alongside any form of philosemitism, if it isn’t simply overrun with Jew hate.”
Hanania argues, depressingly convincingly, that: “The energy of the party, polling data, and current trends all suggest that Vance can only be attacked by a candidate or movement that is further along on the populist end of the spectrum.”
“All of this is what makes the reports that Bannon is likely to run so notable Bannon has always done a good job of skating where the puck is going, and shown keen insight into what makes the Republican base tick.”
He concludes [Can a Bannon-Groyper Alliance Derail Vance?]: “One can imagine Bannon playing footsie with the Groypers. Fuentes will attack Vance for having an Indian wife, while Bannon will say he didn’t enact a complete immigration moratorium and is too friendly with transhumanists like Elon and Peter Thiel.”
It’s a grim prospect, I know. But it shows that while Trump’s ageing, chaotic regime decays and disassembles, the movement beneath it is festering and morphing into something even worse.

Grim reading but thanks-hugely informative
Yesterday the BBC went full on the theory that the killer was a transactivist from the left. How convenient. Today the story has been watered down but nothing as yet about the suspects extreme right leanings. Are there any journalists left in the BBC?
Mate..he was in a relationship with a trans furrie
I am reading this , whilst simultaneously watching coverage of ” Unite the Kingdom” on BBC., including guest appearances by Bannon and Trump…my jaw is on the floor I disbelief !
The brainwashing of people online has no borders…it is taking hold on our side of the Atlantic , including here in Scotland.
If not already too late we need to stop it in its tracks by developing a fairer, equal , tolerant and crucially participative society with the full powers of Independence, giving people the information and control to influence the changes they want to see in their own lives and own areas.
The alternative unfolding in front of us doesn’t bear thinking about.
No time for pontificating, deliver a massive SNP majority in 2026 to create the tipping point to Independence, it is the only short term route to change for the better for the many people in Scotland ( and a beacon for change elsewhere, including , through time,our neighbours in England, )
So love them or loathe them , join support , develop the SNP and deliver change ….it is too dangerous to sit on our hands or undermine or only realistic alternative.
This is my very last comment on Bela Caledonia.
I cannot believe that there are still people who actually believe with what I’ve read in the articles and the comments here.
Neo-Marxism and post modernist groupthink is nothing more than political nihilism, with terrible consequences for those caught up in it.
I believe in family, community and country. These are the only things that stand the test of time and give meaning to life.
I am saddened to see so many young minds are caught in a trap of self delusion and despair. The more you hang onto your irrational beliefs, the more angry and desperate you seem.
If you have never faced death and ever been ready to sacrifice yourself then you cannot know what the meaning of life is and experience the beauty of being alive..
Charlie Kirk knew what it was, and that sad boy who killed him for it will never understand the enormity.
Try to be at peace with yourselves,
Goodbye
Goodbye.
@Nazi Steve, your spelling error at last reveals the root of your annoy: you came here thinking this site advocated for a White Scotland!
If your autobiographical details were accurate, it seems likely that Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) may have negatively impacted your cognition, and sadly that wouldn’t help you decide what was, and was not, rational. But in that case, you have told us that you ran from “family, community and country” as soon as you could, to become an international mercenary for sado-regimes, as globalist a citizen of nowhere as any nihilist would desire, a Captain Manwhoring only in it for ‘good times with hard men’ as you’ve said.
Perhaps you thought adding the ultimate virtue-signalling to your sign-off would be impressively dramatic, but who or what does a mercenary ‘sacrifice themselves’ for? Aren’t they basically prepared to kill, maim, rape, torture, terrorise people for money and kicks? Isn’t the point of a mercenary, military combatant to deprive people of the ‘beauty of being alive’, one way or another? Are you another of these self-traumatised perpetrators grasping for any ideology promising salvation, or merely a sociopath, or a damaged fantasist? I guess we will never know (at least until your military coup here kicks off).
Call to Action !
I am reading this , whilst simultaneously watching coverage of ” Unite the Kingdom” on BBC., including guest appearances by Bannon and Musk…my jaw is on the floor in disbelief !
The brainwashing of people online has no borders…it is taking hold on our side of the Atlantic , including here in Scotland.
If not already too late, we need to stop it in its tracks : by developing a fairer, equal , tolerant, and crucially, a participative society with the full powers of Independence, giving people the information and control to influence the changes they want to see in their own lives and own areas.
The alternative unfolding in front of us doesn’t bear thinking about.
No time for pontificating – deliver a massive SNP majority in 2026 to create the tipping point to Independence, it is the only short term route to change for the better for the many people in Scotland
(and a beacon for change elsewhere, including , through time, our neighbours in England, )
So love them or loathe them , join, support and develop the SNP and deliver change ….it is too dangerous to sit on our hands or undermine our only realistic alternative!
I don’t think that the SNP will deliver change. They’ve had many years of government in Scotland in which to do so, and haven’t done so. Besides which, “change” by itself is a bit vague – see also Starmer’s party.
Very informative piece, thank you. It’s hard to keep up, and Bella really helps.
Thanks Paddy.
Mike – what is your source for the assassin being a follower of Groyper? There have been a load of stories put out and I am not sure we will ever find out the truth about his motivations.
No one can ever justify this type of murder and regardless of background you have to feel for his friends and family.
I had never heard of Charlie Kirk but having read about him I see very little humanity in his actions and beliefs that drove him. I understand why the media have to cover his assassination but I have found the nature offensive be it the eulogies paid to him by some in right wing press to the normalising and sanitising of his political agenda by mainstream media. This is unfortunately a pattern we can see exemplified from the promotion of Nigel Farage by the BBC to the obsessive coverage of small boats crossing by media and politicians.
Nigel Farage is a self serving populist who will try to push the envelope on right wing policies as far open as he thinks he can get away with. Yesterday’s march in London shows that there are plenty of people including many in media who want to go further to the right and follow the authoritarianism that is now on show in Trumps USA. Be absolutely assured that Farage will tack further to the right and many in media will continue to support and promote him.
Scotland may be more resistant to this phenomenon but is by no means immune. There is quite a bit to criticise the current government at Holyrood about but they are firm in their opposition to the anti migrant movement as opposed to the current Westminster government whose timid response is to some extent legitimising it.
There are many reasons to support independence be they democratic, economic, fairness, tackling inequality. To that list I think we need to add escaping from far right AngloBritish nationalism.
I would also like to see the sources that can make his affiliations and rationale so definitively stated here. Though I am leaning towards this conclusion, what is cited is not enough to be so conclusive.
By decoding the memes and understanding the codes and signifiers of their subculture. The image shared is from Tyler Robinson’s own family (him posing as a Pepe the Frog meme). Maybe I should have made that clearer in the piece. I admit its not definitive, but imho its more probable than other explanations.
I was trying to unpack the wars within the US far-right and explain how Charlie Kirk’s political movement was seen by even more extreme groups within the US and the consequences of this.
The “source” for him being a left wing radical with a furry femme boyfriend was a Republican governor speaking to the press an hour after getting a call from President Trump.
The “source” for him being a Groyper was the shooter himself, via the engravings on the shell casings, which were 100% Groyper-coded. The videogame and meme references, the cringe humor, and the surface ambivalency are what is known, in Groyper circles, as “hiding your power level.” You, a normie, taking them literally is the point of the joke.
And yes, it is a joke.
There might be more information that brings his true motives to light. There might not. The investigation is being managed by a Republican governor under Trump’s thumb, and an FBI director who was only given that position due to his MAGA loyalty. Any evidence that discredits their narrative that “the left did this” will be quashed. Thus it will be up to independent journalists, working with limited resources and access, to suss out the truth – if there even is any. At the end of the day this is a disaffected lonely kid with easy access to weapons. Ideology isn’t the issue, because these kids go off for all sorts of reasons, and increasingly for no reason whatsoever other than the LULZ. Guns will always be the problem, and it will never be fixed in the US. Politicizing every tragedy is how America avoids having that uncomfortable conversation with itself.
Yes.
The problem with this stance is that by asserting that the governor and FBI head are simply stooges of Trump who will lie to cover up any right wing associations of this killing, you are closing down the possibility of the truth coming out. Yet all it is, is an assertion. You seem to be suggesting, for example, that the governor’s official statement that the killer’s ‘partner’ is transgender is a lie, and whilst it is perfectly possible it is not relevant to the killer’s motivations, to dismiss it so easily does not a convincing argument make.
@Ronnie Pudding, unless the targets are personal (or maybe completely random), ideology is surely very important in these attacks? For the justifications, the class of target, for the audience approval, possibly absolution, for the legacy, and in many cases the idea of being a soldier in a war (apparently the military are commonly venerated in the USA way beyond the British median). For example, incel ideology has thought to be a driver for a particular kind of terrorism.
Viet Thanh Nguyen has some interesting observations on a particular type of video game in Nothing Ever Dies: Vietnam and the Memory of War, about a generation familiar with seeing enemy through the virtual gunsights of first-person shooters. p111 “A first person shooter combines the duration of A Remembrance of Things Past with the intensity of a movie, each minute more engrossing than reading a novel or watching a movie.”
Although the appearance of FPS games (where the original foes tended to be Nazis and demons) coincided with a drop in societal violence (I gather), perhaps the cultural phenomenon has shifted, although some effects are specific to the USA (and perhaps particular states, or even more local or fringe cultures). In my view, the popularity of zombies shooters particularly reflects the anti-sick ideologies of the USA, for example, where prevention of illness is perhaps even unGodly.
I say nothing about this particular incident. And I’m not a criminologist. There are people who go to war zones to kill people, often taking sniper roles, which is the subject of the documentary The Line (on Apple TV) and a recent Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich
where ideology seems unimportant or at least not central, although may provide a cultural prop (as in the Christian forgiveness for self-traumatised perpetrators), not that sociopaths would seem to need that.
What you describe is in-group and out-group psychology, which can be quite arbitrarily whipped up, but arbitrary divisions don’t tend to work well in the Internet where Stanford prison experiment conditions don’t apply. Identitarianism can be cultured into extremism, but linking people together into violent groups may require some ideology *even* if that ideology is a joke to some or *even* if the supposed sympathy is entirely fake on some parts (as it apparently is in some suicide groups). And ideology can be as crude and illogical as serves a purpose.
It really is looking like the motivations of Tyler Robinson are not from the right. The evidence coming out is supporting the opposite world view.
The suggestions he is a Groyper and follower of extremist Fuentes is looking less and less likely: you would not say of Kirk: ‘I had enough of his hatred . . . Some hate can’t be negotiated out’, nor allegedly tell his parents that ‘there is too much evil and the guy spreads too much hate, if that were true. His mother told investigators he had become more political in recent years, becoming more supportive of gay and transgender rights and entering a relationship with a transgender person. The memes on the weaponry were insider ‘jokes’, ironies from the gamer world but not dog whistles supportive of the far right.
It looks like there are really contradictory and complex stories and plotlines. Here’s two:
https://www.councilestatemedia.uk/p/the-tyler-robinson-story-has-completely?r=5teob&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
https://substack.com/@drstaceypatton1865/note/p-173837794?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=5teob
I prefer this as a sober summary of the situation and conspiracy theories invoked in the above links:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/20/politics/fact-check-charlie-kirk-murder
@Niemand, yes, it seems wise to not speculate too much so early, with so much uncertainty, or to try to overgeneralise on unsafe grounds. The ideologies of young people are often fluid, personal, rapidly developing and difficult to pin to any old school of thought. Ideologies often contain inconsistencies, or hypocrisies, or ‘hidden’ elements for graduated insiders not for public consumption, and in some cases can be very thin and underdeveloped (not just ‘meme’ culture either).
There is nothing ‘left’ about LGBT (essentially lust- or desire-based, same as heterosexuality although there is a reproductive component there), while there are a few LGBT phenomena that are ‘right’ wing, where dominance or hierarchy obviously plays a part (which is also true of Incels and traditional Christian patriarchal sexual politics etc). You don’t hear so much about Milo Yiannopoulos these days, who was a prominent right-wing misogynist voice in GamerGate, but that was fairly typical of a coalescence of the USAmerican right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate
There are obviously differences between Christian and secular right-wing movements, but there are many variations, and a constant conservative vs libertarian tension, although it seems the old pacifist traditions have dwindled somewhat.
When you are talking about identity politics, in-group and out-group patterns of behaviour are often more significant, while for democratic (electoral) influence, odd alliances can be common. When these alliances fracture (as the USAmerican right wing is fracturing on free speech now, and as the Musk–Trump falling-out was a hiss from a much larger fissure), the sectarian fallout can be more vicious than between official enemies.
Nay bother JOHN mate,
woke need to wake up..
What’s wrong with this section. You all must be using AI for answers. Absolute NPC bots..rip Charlie kirk
You seen this Neimand?
https://youtu.be/bf9I7EuTjro?si=UH7cniX3nSRpU0El
Gimp.
Oh dear, another echo chamber for wokied
‘Wokied’?
Make it make sense.
Extreme right meets extreme left – the political spectrum not as a line from left to right but a circle where the two meet
Is this news to you?
Is this Groyper movement that you describe also transphobic? You dont say
Hoping you will find the time someday to do a deep dive into the erasure of women rights and child safeguarding
The fa t you need to review comments says alot..you obviously don’t agree with free speech
All your columns ever do is quote other commentators.