Where stands the SNP and independence?

The SNP conference met in Edinburgh over the past weekend. It was an understated affair compared to the huge gatherings in the years post-2014. The mood was not surprisingly of a diminished party in numbers, appeal and rationale – but at the same time less demoralised and defeated than might have been expected.

Rather party members at least on the surface appeared to still have some spirit and energy. This begs the question were they just putting on a brave face, do they have an inner core of faith and strength which can stand shocks such as the recent election defeat, or are they so used to winning that they are in a sense of denial? These are complex questions to which only time will fully have the answer. For now, let’s ask what does all this mean for the future of the SNP and independence?

The SNP are now stuck singing the same old tunes. ‘Independence is the route to a fairer Scotland’; ‘Westminster is denying Scotland’s democratic right’; ‘Labour are just the same as the Tories’; ‘Tory austerity and Labour austerity are the same’ and several more. These might be self-evidently true to the dwindling tribe of SNP activists and independence supporters, but are not palpably self-evident, do not have cut through with voters, and are mostly about people talking to themselves.

Beyond these worn-out tropes, are a host of comments from members which reveal a degree of resignation bordering on pessimism about the party’s prospects and popularity. A regular line now to explain away the choices of voters is that people in the recent Westminster election ‘were voting on devolved issues’ and that ‘the distinction between Scottish and Westminster elections needs to be restated.’

Apart from the obvious point that any confusion might be partly the fault of the SNP, this line is eerily reminiscent of how Scottish Labour members used to talk when they ran devolved Scotland and were slowly on the way down. Its logic runs: ‘people are voting on the wrong criteria, don’t realise all our achievements, and that failure is nothing to do with us.’ This is only one soundbite away from blaming the people for not realising how marvellous, first, Labour, then the SNP have been.

This chimes with a SNP which seventeen years into office has run out of steam, ideas and is exhausted at the top level. It has told Scotland a set of self-satisfied mantras over that period: ‘we are building a fairer Scotland’, ‘look at our social contract’, and ‘we should celebrate our magnificent social democracy’ which have become increasingly hollow compared to the reality of modern Scotland. This is what happens to all political messaging and stories: they become self-serving, people fall for their own hype, they become detached from reality, and then voters stop believing them. A huge part of Scotland has been bored with the SNP for quite a while and not surprisingly many have stopped listening.

The SNP under John Swinney’s Leadership

John Swinney’s keynote speech talked of independence as the way to address the challenges Scotland faces. This is obvious to SNP members but does not deal with the day-to-day reality of how you govern Scotland, the stories you tell, and the Scotland you are trying to advance in the here and now. On this the SNP are mostly silent.

Swinney reminisced at length about the summer of 2014 and the ‘optimism and hope’ of ten years ago – from equal marriage to the Commonwealth Games and Ryder Cup – all leading up to the September indyref. This was the politics of nostalgia and looking back rather than forward; the glory days and moments of independence and Scotland basking in the sun of the world’s media attention. What Swinney could not do, given he is an interregnum leader, is use the ten-year anniversary to park the idea of independence as a continuous process from 2014: the road of Sturgeon and ‘Are You Yes Yet?’ which ultimately took people into a dead-end.

The post-mortem on the SNP’s election defeat was mostly a subdued, thoughtful affair. Swinney said that the SNP had in July lost 250,000 voters to Labour and another 250,000 voters had stayed at home. But this understates the scale of SNP decline – from 1,454,436 in 2015 to under 724,758 in July, and hence ignores one-third of the losses the party has endured. The party is aware it is increasingly losing middle class support to Labour and that failing public services and levels of taxation are cutting through.

How can the SNP renewal happen? Some think by focusing on ‘delivery’ in the 20 months to May 2026; others that they can go hell for leather on Starmer and Reeves and the shortcomings of Labour in office. No one seriously thinks the ‘Programme for Government’ announced this week will be the answer or have cut through. Some in the Kate Forbes wing think the answer is the SNP equivalent of ‘cutting the crap’, talking of the need to dump ‘far-out progressive policies’ and ‘woke tyranny’: codes for the fall-out from the trans debate and a stance, that if taken further, will even more alienate some of the younger SNP members.

The State of SNP Scotland

The state of Scotland seventeen years needs explaining. The scandalous number of drug deaths aided and exasperated by SNP cuts to services which they were warned about at the time; the threadbare nature of local government services after more than a decade of Scottish Government cuts and successive council tax freezes cannot go indefinitely.

There is the coming crisis of arts and culture and Creative Scotland funding. This is a weathervane issue touching wider policy failure and exhaustion. Years of Scottish Government centralisation; faux boosterism and policy announcements which never delivered anything. What has happened to the £100 million extra for arts and culture promised by Angus Robertson over a year ago? No one knows and there is no sign of it. This brings us to ‘three jobs’ Angus Robertson and his contrition on meeting the Israeli deputy ambassador for which he ate humble pie at SNP conference. Where is his apology for the state of arts and culture, lack of funding, lack of imaginative policies, and bogus £100 million announcement?

The loyalist defence of the above states blandly: ‘what would you like us to take money from?’ Leave aside that this is the same conservatism, inertia and defeatism that Labour’s Rachel Reeves peddles as Chancellor, there is a denial of the choice and priorities that even the Scottish Government has with its £60 billion budget. This is a budget in which there are still elements of discretion and underspend, and only this year the SNP administration committed yet another own goal when they handed back £500 million of underspend to the EU four years after formally Brexit happened.

Missing from the SNP, as was true of Labour when it ran Scotland, is any obvious understanding of the distributional consequences of the cumulative public policy and public spending choices they have undertaken. To be in government and elected office is to choose. The nature of devolved government under Labour and the SNP has been mostly to prioritise key insider and stakeholder groups such as public service workers – avoiding strikes unlike England. This can be presented as a success, but again like many things needs proper communication, and an honesty that it comes with consequences elsewhere.

The imminent ‘Programme for Government’ will again duck these questions, as every SNP programme has done – and Labour before them. There is policy and legislative exhaustion at the heart of the SNP. Vague, centrist social democracy only gets you so far particularly when independence is off the agenda. Centralising government is exhausting, and ultimately self-defeating, leaving ministers with no one else to blame but themselves for large swathes of Scotland.

Tackling child poverty should be one of the central missions of government, but despite the success of the Scottish Child Payment, child poverty levels were 24% in 2007 when the SNP came to office and are the same now, so any spin being offered of ‘eradicating child poverty’ must be treated sceptically. Similarly, there are limits to taxing people at the higher rate of tax with fiscal drag resulting in the number of Scots paying higher-rate tax rising from 12% to 22% of taxpayers under the SNP in the past decade.

The Next SNP and Seven Challenges for the Next Wave of Independence

Independence needs, like the SNP itself, a next wave and stage. Just as there has to be post-2026 a Next SNP representing a new era of the party and how it does politics the same is true of independence. Ten years on from Scotland’s democratic explosion in 2014 the road from that point in history is not a continuous path seamlessly leading to the promised nirvana of independence. This is the illusion that Nicola Sturgeon peddled for years and which was deeply deceptive, telling people what they wanted to hear, not facing the serious strategic questions, and ultimately leading to a cul-de-sac.

The SNP are currently treading water and going through the motions. By the next Scottish elections in 2026 they will have been in office for nineteen years. There is to put it bluntly little prospect of the party comprehensively reinventing itself in the 20 months to the Scottish elections, or indeed turning round the numerous policy failures and how the party does government. That is not how politics work.

Related to this, the SNP need not just a new way of doing politics, party and government, they need a new set of stories and messaging which connects not just to real life but also has ambition, aspiration and honesty for how Scotland can become better, fairer, more prosperous, and a land which wages war on ‘eradicating child poverty.’ And to do this requires a new generation of political leaders to emerge out of the shadows of the legacy of the Sturgeon era. Realistically such transformative politics and the passing from one political era to another can only begin after the 2026 elections and the reverses the SNP will then experience.

The Next Independence needs to confront several home truths which have been avoided or fudged in the ten years since 2014. First, the language of independence has to change. In recent years the SNP have slipped into the mantra of ‘Westminster is denying Scotland’s historic right to decide its future’. In part this is understandable as a message: Scotland’s right to decide its own future polls well and has majority support; but there has never been sustained majority support for another indyref post-2014. Similarly, invoking SNP ‘mandates’ in successive Scottish elections do not cut it; mandates are not legal entities, but constructs made and remade by politicians and public in conversation and how public opinion evolves.

Talking of Scotland having its democratic rights ‘denied’ makes no sense outside the indy echo chamber and gives the impression of an internal sets of codes and language which most voters have no real understanding of.

Second, independence supporters must stop putting process ahead of substance: the ‘How’ ahead of the ‘Why’. The former is a question more for the insider classes and anoraks; the latter is the defining, framing issue which can reach out and change minds.

Third, independence will never win as an abstract and principle. This version of independence – shorn of any detail about a future Scotland – only speaks to a minority of voters, maybe 20-25% of Scots. This constituency includes a huge part, if not nearly all, SNP members and independence supporters, but a different vision to the one which mobilises them is needed for the Scotland whose interest in independence is contingent on detail.

Fourth, the Scotland beyond independence in any shape and form is critical to the future. It is one of the many conspicuous failings of the Sturgeon leadership that with all the political authority and capital she enjoyed she failed to reach out and engage Scottish voters who support No. There are many shades of No, as there are many shades of Yes. Just as not all independence supporters are not nationalists, so not all pro-union supporters are unionists, and this needs to be recognised.

Fifth, the nature of the union and Scotland’s place and position needs wider comprehension. ‘Why will they not let us go?’ is a common lament among independence supporters. This ignores that the British establishment believe in Britain as an idea including Scotland as part of the union. They see the whole community as part of a collective ‘we’ not about ‘they’. The British establishment is also not entirely an alien entity but has its Scottish element; the idea of Britain which people believe in is not solely about establishments and elites but has popular support and expression which should not be dismissed.

Sixth, while the SNP and independence are not synonymous, they are linked. The SNP in the ten years post-2014 have failed to do heavy lifting on independence. There was no 2014 post-mortem; and the Sturgeon leadership deliberately went out of its way to stop institution building beyond its control. Ten years on there is no ecology of sustainable independence institutions, something urgently needed for any Next Independence. This would include think-tanks, research agencies, centres of expertise and authority, all with funding and business models to sustain them. In short, this is ‘movement building’ and tragically the SNP post-2014 invoked the rhetoric of being part of a movement while using the practice of a party to close down and control things. Realistically any real impetus on the above will only begin post-2026 after the SNP reverses of that election.

Seventh, independence has to address some of the big questions facing Scotland, humanity and the planet. These include how to strengthen and widen democracy, the nature of government, what to do about capitalism, corporate power and inequality, and the climate crisis. This means plugging Scotland, academics, thinkers, intellectuals and campaigners, into global debates on these and more. But it is damning that post-2014 the SNP have, for example, had nothing of note to say about democratising Scotland or the nature of political economy and capitalism.

Underlying all the above independence has to have an awareness of timescales of change; recognising the need for short-term and longer-term aims. The pretence by the SNP leadership post-2014, heightened post-Brexit vote, that an independence referendum was just around the corner, was not just a politics of deception but of control, told to stop people asking questions.

Two concluding observations. The SNP and independence are living post-2014 with the consequences of top-down political leadership for nearly a decade and the deliberate absence of any political culture encouraging wider discussion, dissemination and political education which could have informed, sustained and strengthened that wider movement. It is a damning indictment of the SNP, its leadership and Sturgeonism that in the aftermath of 2014 and the greatest democratic explosion in our history, they not only failed to build on this, but deliberately reverted to the opposite.

This is the SNP, Scotland and politics of independence we find ourselves in ten years on from 2014. Some still want to cling to illusions and the broken records hoping it will all turn out alright if only they believe in their leaders enough. Surely the politics of true faith and believing in fairy tales have been revealed as empty promises?

The SNP will face a difficult next couple of years. That is the nature of party politics. But some could have been avoided with a more honest, confident leadership post-2014. Too many parts of the SNP and independence have fallen for their own hype and myths and ended up divorced from the realities of modern Scotland. In too many respects the SNP have ended up reproducing the same sort of conceits and language that Labour did when it ran Scotland and that should be a wake-up call. The SNP have become, like Labour before them, a court party hoarding power and patronage.

The SNP, and even more independence, need to embody a road map from present day Scotland to a future Scotland which has the honesty to face difficult choices, and where that version of the future is being encouraged every day and aided into being. We are far removed from that kind of politics in the present, and despite appearances at the SNP conference more and more people including at senior levels of the party recognise they have got themselves into a bad political place, but need to follow that up with words and actions.

The first stage in the Next SNP and Next Independence is recognising the scale of the problem, talking about it, and beginning to embrace a course which sets a very different direction. These is no real gain in the SNP and independence continuing the same course of the past ten years, but realistically fully embracing that change will have to wait until 2026 and the reverse the SNP will inevitably experience then. But politics and public life abhors vacuums and drift, and people could dare to start taking the first steps in preparing and creating that different Scotland and future now.

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  1. Tom Ultuous says:

    “only this year the SNP administration committed yet another own goal when they handed back £500 million of underspend to the EU four years after formally Brexit happened.”

    Did this actually happen because all I can find on the internet is gutter press articles suggesting it could, and praying it would, happen?

    1. Gerry Hassan says:

      It was covered extensively in a piece by BBC Scotland on the underspent EU monies.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce55zm8z402o

      1. Tom Ultuous says:

        “However, the Scottish government source highlights a figure showing 82% of the reduced total allocation of £667m has been committed, and there is a high level of confidence in St Andrew’s House that it will conform to European Commission audit rules.”

        That BBC article’s a long way from “handing back £500 million” Gerry.

    2. My understanding is that it did happen but has been completely misconstrued and misrepresented, in that it happens routinely with huge budgets that get committed on paper to something then don’t happen for various reasons. It has been represented as SG incompetence.

  2. MacGilleRuadh says:

    Gerry talks about ‘the dwindling tribe of SNP activists and independence supporters’. he is right about the former but the latter? As far as I am aware support for independence remains around 45-48% or so? Perhaps Gerry has been spending too much time with the good burghers of Kirkcudbright.

    This is a thoughtful and considered article advocating a long period of discussion amongst a re-invigorated indy-ecosystem, following the inevitable unionist triumph to come in 2026. Is there another approach?

    Suppose Swinney, instead of announcing the need for £250m in cuts had said, no, that’s enough we will introduce radical policies (like the McCormick land value tax) and had proceeded to demonstrate how that would work and how it would address the issues Gerry agonises about. And how more of the same could be achieved under independence. He also could challenge Labour with a different financial model. If Labour resisted, they would be substantially harmed in 2026. Scots would see there is a difference that could be made, instead of all this management of devolution that is leading (as Gerry says, absolutely nowhere).

    But I’m afraid Swinney and the SNP have not got a bold bone in their bodies and would rather sink slowly, taking the hopes of a better nation with them.

  3. John Wood says:

    The SNP is out of time. We urgently need a new political party that actually represents the people and puts our needs before corporate greed. The SNP and Labour both just roll over and do as they are told.

    Almost everyone, north and south of the border, are sick to death of the endless lies and deceit we get from every political party.

    Independence from Westminster is needed, but so is independence from the (mainly) US robber barons who pull all the strings. They have nothing worthwhile to offer at all. Why is everyone so afraid of them? We need politicians who will stand up for us all and tell them to take a hike.

  4. George Samuel Gordon says:

    Gerry says – “The loyalist defence of the above states blandly: ‘what would you like us to take money from?’ Leave aside that this is the same conservatism, inertia and defeatism that Labour’s Rachel Reeves peddles as Chancellor, there is a denial of the choice and priorities that even the Scottish Government has with its £60 billion budget.”

    1) This is economic nonsense. Rachel Reeves has a budget which IS NOT that of a household; the Scottish Government budget IS like that of a household.

    2) On priorities, the Scottish Government has made crucial pay awards in the public sector when the Tories at Westminster refused so there were no Barnett Consequentials. Labour have now made significant pay wards, which will result in Barnett Consequentials – but when do they arrive – perhaps at the same time Labour announce the further cuts planned to be in their budget?
    Will the pay award consequentials be sufficient? Probably not, as some of their ‘public’ services are not public, e.g. railways. If Wes Streeting gets his way, this will happen to their NHS.
    In fact, Labour’s drive to using the private sector generally will likely lead to further cuts to the Scottish Government budget.

  5. A-M Harrison says:

    Interesting and challenging article which merits further exploration -what I am always disappointed by is the failure of journalists and all of us really , to call out the mainstream pro unionist media in its relentless denigrating of Scotland and by default it’s people-us- which I feel may be a part of the problem, having lived in both countries in the UK it never ceases to amaze me how much ordinary Scottish folk seem to accept this .My colleagues and friends south of the border have no real knowledge of real Scotland given the nonsense served up as “news” . The lies told by BBC Scotland in particular seem to demonstrate a truly colonial view so one aspect of a new approach to pursuing independence would be a Scottish media channel telling our stories successes and failures from a Scottish perspective , sadly that costs money so is unlikely to happen

    1. John says:

      I have lived in Scotland, England & Wales and whole heartedly agree with you re what people in England know about Scotland and Wales. Unless there is a major story (Dunblane/Abervan) the reporting of news from outside England (and possibly outside SE of England) is sketchy and at times patronising especially when royalty is involved.
      It is therefore not surprise that many people in England have a level of ignorance of life in Scotland and Wales.

  6. Alasdair Macdonald says:

    While the SNP does, indeed, need to re-examine its strategy and, probably reorganise itself significantly, the article omits the wider context of the United Kingdom.

    Irish reunification is increasingly likely. Devolution of more powers to English metropolitan mayors might well lead to demands for greater autonomy for England. In Wales, Welsh Labour remained in power because, to a significant degree, its members emphasised their Welshness.

    It appears that the newly elected Labour government lacks a compelling narrative to replace the neoliberal Thatcherite economic paradigm which it has accepted. Many reputable economic think tanks indicate that it is unsustainable and will not achieve the growth which Labour seeks.

    Relations with the EU have to be improved if the economy is to improve. But Starmer’s ‘reset’, while ruling out so many things because of his fear of the right wing media and the dwindling cohort of Brexiters allied to his own ‘patriotism (English Nationalism), seems a vacuous statement.

    The continuation of ‘austerity’ which Reeves seems to be planning and the vague hope of better things in 10 years time mean that the cracks in the Labour Party could open, the government could lose its majority and growing poverty and failing social services could lead to more rioting.

    The UK might just fall apart.

  7. SleepingDog says:

    People should stop abusing the word ‘ecosystem’. Any form of politics tied to managing a monetary budget will be critically vulnerable to the kinds of financial events and systems collapses we can expect as our fragile and more-cobbled-together-than-we-might-imagine systems are stressed by global polycrisis and the destabilising effects of concentrated spending power combined with deregulation, religious mania, media monstrosities and death-merchant militarism. If we were thinking in ecosystem terms, we would be looking at other kinds of resources, skillsets, robust passive systems which won’t immediately fail if the power/Internet/banking services go offline… but we aren’t, so we don’t.

    The time to democratically prepare for emergencies may be almost up. At the very least we should be learning as fast as we can from countries where disasters are striking frequently. And those who survive may have little time to rue the SNP’s starving local government (our most likely source of emergency planning) of resources. Of course, in a designated military emergency, civilians might be kicked out of hospitals to provide beds for NATO troops, if that’s still the plan. I don’t even know if they make programmes like Secret Society any more.
    https://www.duncancampbell.org/content/secret-society

  8. John says:

    Gerry – a wide ranging, interesting article raising a lot of interesting points. Like you I see little sign of SNP halting electoral slide prior to 2026 election. I would suggest that the younger leadership candidates would agree which is why they opted not to run this time and were happy for John Swinney to be leader up until 2026 election.
    I note that you state that SNP are losing middle class voters to Labour:-
    1.What evidence is this statement based on?
    2.Do you know whether the 250,000 voters that switched to Labour were primarily older voters that had voted Labour previously or first time Labour voters?
    3.Do you have any similar information on 250,000 previous SNP voters that stayed at home?
    Lastly I think that the Nicola Sturgeon one more heave strategy for independence was based mainly on two factors:
    the phenomenal electoral result in 2015 GE
    Brexit – which they thought would possibly have led to more voters switching to support independence.
    This was a short cut to independence strategy which was never really likely to succeed but most supporters of independence thought was the only chance of achieving independence in the short term.

    1. Gerry Hassan says:

      In answer to all three of your questions these are general takeaway points from the SNP post-mortem on the election which took place at the recent party conference which was a private session. Have got these points from people who attended and am still getting more details.

      1. James mills says:

        ”…have got these points from people who attended ..” In other words , gossip ? How very academically rigorous !

        1. John says:

          The reason I asked was I saw this issue of middle classes switching to Labour as a headline in Times as well.
          It may be true or it could be a line pumped by a few people to suit their own personal perspective.
          My understanding was that not voting for SNP was more based around disenchantment due to:
          the ongoing police investigation into finances
          the lack of delivery and competence in key policy areas
          the leadership changes
          weariness of government and electorate after 17 years in power
          the fact that independence does not seem achievable in next 5 years.
          the desire to kick Tories out of Westminster and replace them.
          Again these are my thoughts based on what I have heard and read but not on firm polling evidence.

  9. Edward Chang says:

    Among all the issues re Indy/SNP etc I’d like to ask a more wide ranging question-in the years since 1999 can anyone think of any areas of Scottish life that have improved?

    1. Alistair Taylor says:

      Yes.

    2. Alec Lomax says:

      Yes..To give one example, my own particular favourite the Land Reform (Scotland) Act of 2003. This would never have happened under direct rule from London.

    3. SleepingDog says:

      @Edward Chang, one area of very significant improvement is the exposure of the feudalistic-imperialist-theocratic-kleptocratic-nepotism of the British quasi-constitution, something largely hidden from the public, which has been thrown into focus by issues such as the Crown Estate blocking Scotland’s renewable energy drive. The SNP at least managed to gain some democratic control over this in Scotland.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate_Scotland
      Devolution has been the largest disruptor of the British quasi-constitution in my lifetime. Of course, the Empire always fights back. And improvements in political literacy and consciousness don’t always yield material benefits (in the short term especially).

  10. florian albert says:

    Gerry Hassan writes of ‘Scotland’s democratic explosion in 2014.’ In reality, 2014 paved the way for the litany of failure that Gerry Hassan outlines at length. 2014 produced little politically or intellectually. It paved the way for Nicola Sturgeon’s – now acknowledged – squandered decade.

    What Gerry Hassan underplays is the huge popularity of the SNP, and of Nicola Sturgeon in particular, for 8 of the 10 years. Sturgeonism, such as it was, involved radical rhetoric and a commitment to the economic status quo. The rhetoric strongly implied that Scotland was different from – meaning better than – England. This was what a huge section of Scottish voters wanted to hear. There is little reason to believe that this cohort, which is now disillusioned with the SNP, has any appetite for any ‘stories’ that the SNP might come up with.
    Unhappily, backing the status quo involved allowing serious problems to fester and worsen. The drug deaths exemplifies that failure clearly.
    Gerry Hassan also refers to ‘policy and legislative exhaustion’ – a phrase often used about the Attlee government. This might be valid excuse if the SNP had left behind a legislative record comparable to Labour 1945-51.
    The generation of 2014 has failed to deliver independence, or even to bring it close. It is possible that another generation will do better but, until that new generation emerges – in the SNP and out with it – what the SNP does at its various conferences does not matter very much.

    1. Gerry Hassan says:

      I would go much further Florian in my critique of the state of Scotland than your comments.

      When talking of ‘policy and legislative exhaustion’ within the SNP & Scottish Government this is true across all parties and the 25 years of managed devolution. The dynamics of devolution were meant to some claim renew Scottish democracy, administration and civil society. But instead what it has done is accentuate and express the politics of managed decline and defensive minded policy making. This was always a likely path dependency of devolution – one informed by the thin hollowed out nature of social democracy and bourgeois nationalism.

      What it is not is an inevitable result of Scotland being a small sized country. Lots of democracies the same size as Scotland (Finland) or smaller (Estonia) have developed innovative public policy environments, governments and civil societies. So we have to ask: is the problem of our inertia within our construct of devolution? Or the expression of the dominant political forces? And if one or the other or a mix where are the forces and ideas which might challenge this? At the moment there is no sign of any dynamism in the SNP or indeed Scottish Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or Greens or indeed Farage’s Reform.

      1. Graeme Purves says:

        Spot on, Gerry!

      2. florian albert says:

        I do not remember such a negative view of devolution being expressed at the time of the 2014 referendum. On the contrary, the pro-independence forces used the success of devolution – as they saw it – as evidence of the likely success of an independent Scotland.

        I doubt that the example of Finland or Estonia has much relevance for Scotland’s future; their history and culture are too removed from Scotland’s.

        With regard to ‘what the problem is’; two answers stand out.
        First, the importance of class. The prosperous section of Scotland – mainly the middle class – is determined to ensure that they hold on to what they have.
        Second; the ‘dominant political forces’ have a utopian view of our society. This was best expressed in Jack McConnell branding the Scotland ‘the best small country in the world.’ What was most worrying about this was the absence of any significant opposition to such foolishness.

    2. John says:

      Is it not true that since 2014 a lot of Scotland’s politics has been seen and fought through the prism of independence.? Both sides of debate and all political parties are to some extent equally guilty of this.
      Has this phenomenon not made devolution secondary to independence since 2014 and consequently stifled devolution and Scottish political activity?
      Everything is used as a means to argue over independence and I would include drug deaths in this – one side blames everything on Westminster while the other side appears to almost celebrate any deterioration in Scottish society and oppose any proposals at variance with Westminster policy.
      The only short term answer out of this mess is for Westminster and Holyrood to agree on further meaningful devolution (devomax) for an agreed moratorium on any future independence vote for at least 10 years.
      I realise that the arch independence and unionist supporters would oppose this but I think majority of Scottish voters (soft Yes and No supporters) may welcome it. It may also temporarily stop the political infighting and encourage politicians to put the interests of Scottish society first.

      1. Niemand says:

        Yes a very pertinent comment. One could say that the way devolution is seen as increasingly failing is that over time it was seen as either a stepping stone to independence or worse, a way of preventing it (and the two are not mutually exclusive). And as the SNP became dominant that was the official line. How much chance did devolution have? For fifteen years, it was never embraced, never used properly and always seen as at best a half-way house to full autonomy. The last thing a party like the SNP wants is for devolution to actually work for Scotland and so they have never exploited all its powers preferring to blame those south instead.

        You make an interesting argument about a devomax deal but would this really work since if devomax was actually made to work, it would set the independence cause back, not forwards? It is a paradox and very damaging one that is causing a terrible malaise. Sometimes I think it needs politicians in Holyrood to grow up and actually do their job of running the country to their best abilities as things stand right now. They are not doing that.

    3. Graeme Purves says:

      I agree about the paltry legislative legacy, though beyond that Alex Salmond’s first minority administration, working with a Westminster government with a similar perspective, made substantial progress in building Scotland’s renewable energy capacity. The new Forth Crossing was delivered on time and to budget, and John Swinney can take some credit for that. Other than these achievements, there is surprisingly little for the SNP to crow about, even in areas such as housing and land reform where they could have secured a progressive majority in the Scottish Parliament relatively easily. They have preferred to kick the can down the road on housing delivery, choosing to ignore the Scottish Land Commission’s very sensible recommendations on public sector leadership in that area.

      1. What? says:

        Alex Salmond’s government spent two years implementing Labour policies, then decided to hibernate. They did seem to be fairly competent, but that should be a given rather than a compliment.

  11. Thom.Cross says:

    At the conference opening internal session I had to point that in the eight large advertising banners in the hall plus platform signage the word Independence was no where to be seen. I asked why? No answer.

  12. Who cares? says:

    I suspect Mt Hassan is correct: The 20-25% of the electorate (seriously?) who are take-no-prisoners nationalists will automaton for the SNP. I cant see them getting many other voters. It’s possible they could come third, spearheaded by a droning junior insurace salesman backed by a small-town conservative with The Light Of God.

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