Early Days, Still
Written looking back at the tenth anniversary of the Scottish independence referendum, November 2024.
The last few months have simplified and revealed some of the deeper questions at play ten years ago, when we had the chance to break-up the British state and declare independence.
The Labour party has ascended to government on a landslide derived from a small percentage of the vote. Having campaigned on a message of ‘Change’ they have immediately announced sweeping cuts and a programme of austerity mirroring precisely George Osborne’s fiscal plans. In the UK we effectively live under one totalising economic system delivered by a variant of parties with different characters and slogans who take turns in office but are unified around most of the diagnosis of the problems we face – and the solutions on offer.
At the time of 2014 we were (or some of us were) aspiring to create the conditions for real change. ‘Britain is for the rich, Scotland can be ours’ was the slogan, and the packed live public meetings, protests, and cultural outpouring felt to be part of an insurgency at times. This energy was infectious and you could see it gathering momentum. There were multiple points of leadership, the map of Yes campaign groups and projects across the country flourished and the issue of self-determination was being used as a lens to look at power, feminism, peace and disarmament, land reform, the monarchy in an endlessly iterative process. People were awakened politically in a way I’ve never seen. But there was something more going on here because people were giving their whole selves to the cause in an outpouring of enthusiasm. People were beginning to dream of a better future and to believe they could have a real-world impact.
That might not have been your experience of 2014. Maybe you were a No voter who just found the whole thing difficult and uncomfortable. But this was my experience and hundreds of thousands of others. But before we get too nostalgic it’s worth noting that there were real problems, problems that we can see much more clearly now in the rearview mirror of history.
The first problem is foundational. In order to achieve a moment of real change, a rupture, a break with the past and with the British state itself, massive structural forces would need to be in play. We had very few of these. We didn’t own the media, we didn’t have proper roots in the trade unions, and we had all of the most powerful interests ranged against us, including the British state (in all its forms).
The second problem was, and is, connected. The movement was unclear about its aims and values. Some of us viewed the task, the actual reason for the whole process to be ‘real change, a rupture, a break with the past and with the British state itself’, others didn’t. Some of the professional political class wanted to offset the real challenge of this and opted for a ‘don’t startle the horses’ approach. For some this was a tactical move that they believed was the right thing to do to win. Others opted for this tactic because they really didn’t want any kind of rupture. They wanted it to be like devolution, smooth, stately, safe and controlled and run by the establishment. The new Scotland they were imagining was pretty much the same as the Scotland we currently live in – but with them in charge. The flag would change above Edinburgh Castle but little else would really change. There would be no struggle with power, no shift in ownership or structural change.
Beneath this was a large section of the Yes movement that embraced this cautionary approach, not out of strategic awareness or cold calculation but because they were cowed, not very confident and had endured decades, or even centuries of being told ‘you don’t really exist’ and living in a culture that wasn’t recognised, valued or championed beyond tea towels celebrating tar macadam, Alexander Graham Bell or Rabbie Burns.
The don’t startle the horses faction won (and lost). But these factions – or currents – fought side by side unconscious of the disabling differences until it was too late. The stultifying cry of ‘unity’ was used to suppress debate and understanding and to enforce the top-down managerial approach to movement building. Unity in diversity can indeed be a useful tool in political movements but not if it is used to champion a single lens or confuse genuine political differences. Arguably the Yes movement was best when it was anarchic and insurgent, paradoxically when it was completely ‘out of control’. This gave the movement a feeling of energy, authenticity and complete difference to anything that people had experienced before.
The third problem was one experienced by the whole of society, but it proved a particular issue for the Yes movement. We live in digital silos, slave to the (algorithm) that keeps us often in bounded groups, literally talking to ourselves. At times valiant efforts were made to change this dynamic and reach out and beyond, but this was hard, and made harder by the Unionist tendency to not engage, to cancel or not turn up for meetings. At times it was like speaking into a void.
This was for good reasons. For some on the opposite side had literally nothing to say. Such was (and is) the low level of aspiration or critical thinking that the entire campaign was accurately reduced to UK:OK. This was the shortest slogan in the world and amounted to a disinterested shrug of the shoulders. It was the ‘Everything’s Fine’ when your house is on fire meme writ large. For anyone to look at the state of our world, our society, our country or our communities – either then or now – and conclude that nothing really needs to change – is pretty grotesque. So it wasn’t just the algorithms that kept us apart, it was also genuine complete (and mutual) incomprehension.
Silos can be hypnotic. I well remember a live Yes concert at the Usher Hall a few weeks before the referendum. It was exhilarating to be among ‘your own people’ and the energy in the hall was amazing. The NO campaign had no such energy and no such events. They didn’t need to. Every blank window was a No voter. Every quiet and uncomfortable person was a No voter steadfastly refusing to participate.
These questions: how do you create meaningful conversation across divides in our society? How do you make the media more democratic? What do you do about complete apathy and complicity in the face of huge social problems? How do you create better systems of democracy from within Britain’s creaking archaic systems? All of these questions remain.
Looking backwards you can now see these fundamental problems with the independence movement that still remain with us today. But why is there still room for hope? Why would you still believe that the best outcome would be an independent Scotland?
2014 – 2024
The brutal reality is that the landscape has changed so dramatically between 2014 and 2024 as to be barely recognisable as the same country. In 2014 genuine hope of change existed, political ideas were being tested and explored, new sections of society were engaged and animated and sections of the British establishment were sufficiently startled to come out with some ridiculous arguments to remain part of the Union.
The No sides Project Fear was ultimately successful but it was also pitiful. The search for the ‘positive case for the Union’ was an unending one, and the arguments that Britain was either a) a progressive multicultural polity or b) a source of benevolent financial security now look wildly ridiculous as the far-right riots across England and the cost of living crisis push people into destitution.
But even though the case for the Union was never made, and what arguments were made have been proven to be hollow or broken or lies, we remain in deadlock. The Yes movement is tired, burnt out and devoid of strategy. The SNP as the main vehicle for delivery is discredited and has shown little credible leadership. It’s much vaunted – and incredible – success as an electoral force seems to have run its course, and even if it was to somehow regain that success it remains to be seen what good that would do. What would be the point of (re) electing the SNP if they have neither a good track record in office nor a credible strategy for independence? But alongside this is the problem that none of the alternative pro-indy parties have attracted any significant support, nor do they have credible alternative strategies or inspiring individuals.
It became a truism to say that ‘Scotland has changed forever’ after 2014, but that’s not true. In reality Scotland changed very little. We elected consecutive SNP governments, held a pro-independence majority at Holyrood, sent squad loads of MPs to Westminster, all to little effect. Scotland remains a country governed in social democratic centrist consensus, riddled with social conservatism, owned by landlords and landed power and now presided over by a tight network of lobbyists and a media-political class united in managerialism.
But if Scotland hasn’t ‘changed forever’, Britain has. The Brexit debacle unleashed the demons of English nationalism and emboldened the forces of pure racism. Since 2014 and since David Cameron stood down, humming away in gilded insouciance – have been some of the most radical far-right regimes we have ever seen. In terms of the promise of the No campaign – that we would be allied to one of the most stable and prosperous economies in Europe – we have instead been subject to wildly unstable law-breaking governments, punitive austerity and a series of disastrous Conservative Prime Ministers who made the UK an international laughing stock.
This year we saw the BBC describe fascists hunting down immigrants and people of colour on the streets of England as ‘pro British’ demonstrations. That’s a long way from 2014 when people arguing for self-determination were derided as ‘narrow nationalists’.
Part of the way that Britain has changed in this period – and the reason why it is untenable and irredeemable – is the way in which British identity has been weaponised and altered. In 2014 there was much talk of a ‘Union of Equals’, a ‘partnership of nations’. The invitation (sometimes with implied threat, sometimes with love bombing) was always as a participant: “lead don’t leave” we were told. However the interim has showed quite a different offering.
What we call ‘Muscular Unionism’ has replaced the very idea of a union and Scotland has been subsumed within a greater Britain. The aftershock of the independence referendum did not result in concessions or understanding to Scotland’s aspirations, it resulted in the opposite. It resulted in a massive backlash against Scotland and the Brexit debacle.
As Anthony Barnett has written (New Statesman, August 2024):
“When David Cameron called for a referendum in the hope of skewering Ukip, he calculated that Farage’s obvious bigotry would have ensured a reluctant majority for staying in the EU. But many other figures shared a belief that, once “freed” from the EU, Britain could find its way back to the greatness of Thatcher. Among the most significant of these was Paul Dacre, then editor of the Daily Mail. Fearing the loss of his last, best opportunity, in February 2016 he plastered this huge headline across his paper’s front page: “Who will speak for England?” His furious editorial demanded that acceptable politicians capable of winning (such as Michael Gove and Boris Johnson) step forward to take the lead in the referendum from the likes of Farage. Buried within the editorial was a telling aside: “Of course, by England… we mean the whole of the United Kingdom.”
“If you are English, you need to read this sentence out loud while imagining what it must be like to be Scottish, Irish or Welsh. Dacre was not calling on leaders to speak for England. He is calling for the opposite, leaders who will make a claim on all the nations of the archipelago that make up Britain. This is the “narrative” – an English insistence that our role in the world is to be “Great Britain” – that won the 2016 referendum.!”
This is a true account. All four nations are subsumed into a fragile concept – a fantasy of a nation called ‘Britain’. It requires the constant fabrication of history and the constant creation of national moments – the Mother of all Parliaments, jubilees, funerals, weddings, state opening of parliament, Black Rod, the Speaker of the House, the Changing of the Guard, and a manufactured culture. This is Parody Britain. If bunting and confetti were important to Declining Britain they are essential to Parody Britain.
Parody Britain also requires that we ignore the fact that one of the four nations is different from the others, hosts the ‘national’ parliament’, the vast bulk of the wealth, the vast majority of the population, all the agencies of state power and the broadcast and print media. One of the four nations has an enormous amount of transport and building infrastructure invested in it.
For decades this was all thought to be ‘just fine’ for all parties. Northern Ireland had an assembly at Stormont run by Unionist politicians, Welsh drive for self-determination was largely subsumed within issues of culture and language, Scotland had been successfully fobbed-off with a devolved assembly, and few in England had ever thought about issues of governance, why should they?
One solution to this would have been some fairly hefty constitutional reform, the revolution that never was. Gordon Brown’ s grandly titled: ‘A New Britain: Renewing our Democracy and Rebuilding our Economy, Report of the Commission on the UK’s Future’ landed with a big clunky-fisted thump in 2022 and has been ignored ever since.
It was a strange document.
While the report scatters scraps of odd powers to the ‘nations and regions’ it has a strange absence at its very heart. The nation for which this document has really been prepared doesn’t appear in its pages. As Kirsty Hughes writes: “Somewhere missing in this is England as a whole. Brown’s report talks of a ‘Union of Nations’ but the strangely absent England remains the heart of power & dominance where Westminster still effectively acts as the UK and England’s government. It’s the shadowy elephant in the room…”
And yet, much of the report is aimed at English voters and based on English political innovations. In this respect it pretends that devolution hasn’t really happened, and certainly that the Better Together campaign never did.
As Kirsty Hughes writes: “Somewhere missing in this is England as a whole. Brown’s report talks of a ‘Union of Nations’ but the strangely absent England remains the heart of power & dominance where Westminster still effectively acts as the UK and England’s government. It’s the shadowy elephant in the room…”
Brown is now a marginal figure, lauded in Scotland and marked as ‘elder statesman’ but really concentrating mostly on the marginal chore of improving the state of Britain’s burgeoning food banks, as grotesque inequality blooms.
But this fantasy of the British nation, which has replaced the concept of the Union, is difficult to sustain. Post-indy Britain and post-Brexit England are difficult to imagine as coherent entities. There are very good reasons for this. The rise of an explicit English nationalism surges against this notion of Britain and Britishness. UKIP, Reform, Britain First, and the (now defunct) English Defence League all play with tropes of Englishness, Spitfire Nationalism, and a recurrent theme of repelling foreigners. Not all forms of English nationalism are as rebarbative, but the dominant forces have been expressions of the far-right. Added to this the changing nature of Irish politics makes this notion of a united British nation impossible. The economist David McWilliams wrote back in 2017: “If Britain leaves the EU, it could start a domino effect – at the end of which is a united Ireland” adding, “Relative to the South, the Northern economy has fallen backwards since the guns were silenced. If there was an economic peace dividend, it went South.”
In a considered piece analysing shifting allegiances, birth rates and demographics McWilliams added:
“A cursory glance at the performance of the Northern Irish economy since 1922 would suggest that the Union has been an economic disaster for the people of Northern Ireland. They have been impoverished by the Union and this shows no sign of letting up. The only solace the Northerners might hold onto is the fact that all British regions have lost out income-wise to Southern England; however, “we’re all getting poor together” is hardly a persuasive chorus for an ode to the Union.”
Though Irish unity or even a border poll is by no means certain, Northern Ireland and Ireland have baked into the Good Friday Agreement an ‘opt out clause’, setting out explicitly the terms for which a poll on reunification would be granted. Scotland has no such option.
All of this, nevermind the situation in Wales makes the notion of ‘Britain’ as a unifying, coherent or credible concept unlikely.
This is now an economic basket case sustained on pure ego, unprotected by constitution, and consumed by political opportunism. The delusion is fading. We are now in a moment where constitutional crisis is colliding with, not economic uncertainty but dire economic certainty
As Tom Nairn wrote in After Britain in 2000:
“The Constitution of old England-Britain once stood like a mighty dam, preserving its subjects from such a fate; nowadays, leaking on all sides, it merely guides them to the appropriate slope or exit. Blairism has reformed just enough to destabilise everything, and to make a reconsolidation of the once-sacred earth of British Sovereignty impossible. As if panicked by this realisation, his government has then begun to run around in circles groaning that enough is enough, and that everything must be left well alone. The trouble is that everything is now broken – at least in the sense of being questioned , uncertain, a bit ridiculous, lacking in conviction, up for grabs, floundering, demoralised, and worried about the future.”
This is where we are ten years on from 2014.
Yes the independence movement was deeply flawed and problematic and (probably) doomed; yes the SNP’s force and momentum lies in tatters; yes the independence has lost much of its hope, energy and drive. But for those indulging in triumphalism in these state of affairs, the wider picture is worth noting. The idea that Starmer’s Labour government is a unifying force, the idea that ‘Britain’ as a nation is a concept that can withstand the various forces allied against it: Welsh autonomy, Irish unification, Scottish independence, and most importantly English nationalism, seems outlandish. For those that repeat with some glee that the Labour government will never concede to a second independence referendum, it may be worth reflecting that simply holding 50% of a people in a state they have rejected isn’t a long-term solution.
The independence movement needs a profound re-think, a re-build from the ground up. Continuity won’t cut it.
We need to do two things at the same time. We need to be far more vociferous in actively rejecting the British state, and this means widespread NVDA. We need to become ungovernable. Second, and just as important, we need to be actively building counter-institutions, alternative systems, an imaginative alter-Scotland. These could be anything from alternative democratic systems such as assemblies, networks of banking and savings collectives, economic models that retain resources within communities, and local food systems that create resilient and sustainable regional produce. These projects should be oriented around being future-focused and in line with the threats we face of climate breakdown and the challenge of creating survivable communities. That widest community should be ‘Scotland’ still makes the most sense to me ten years on as I survey the landscape of Broken Britain, but as Alasdair Gray suggested, there is work to be done.
This is an extract from ’10 Years of a Changed Scotland’ with contributions from Neal Asherson, Jonathan Shafi, Alison Phipps, James Foley, Professor Aileen McHarg, Coll McCail, Gordon MacIntyre-Kemp, George Kerevan, Caitlin Logan, Adam Robertson and many others. Go HERE to order your copy for only £9.99.
A long piece but it was hard to read on and take it seriously when it stated early on that Labour was continuing George Osborne- style austerity when it is in fact increasing public borrowing, increasing capital investment and injecting serious new money into the Scottish budget, with Swinney and Forbes the grateful recipients in advance of the 2026 election.
We face many problems, but Osborne-style austerity is not one of them.
I admire your optimism, Observer, but there is little evidence for it.
The Joseph Rowntree Foundation says Labour’s budget brings more poverty, higher inequality, lower household disposable income.
The much vaunted NHS money for England is actually only an average-level increase, and does nothing to improve matters. Says Nuffield Trust and The King’s Fund.
Dilnot was scathing about Labour’s backtracking on social care.
The Labour targeting of welfare claimants and those in mental health wards.
The Scottish budget money is offset by NICs, mitigation of UK government policies, years of capital cuts, and does little for the cumulative damage of years of austerity, plus Covid and inflation.
Then there’s the ongoing Brexit damage, and the rest.
Labour could have done so much more. They chose instead to trundle along a similar path.
All looks like ‘austerity’, doesn’t it?
Yes it does, very much
How does raising borrowing look like austerity? It’s the opposite of austerity.
As a mass of progressive MPs co-wrote after the budget:
“Labour’s first budget punishes the “working people” they claim to support. Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves promised to deliver real change to the electorate, after 14 years of Tory rule. This week, they have broken that promise. This budget is austerity by another name.
While we welcome the government’s decision to invest in school and hospital buildings, it is extremely disappointing that these investments have been undermined by a swathe of public sector cuts, cruel attacks on the worst off, and a dogmatic refusal to redistribute wealth and power. These are not “tough choices” for government ministers, but for ordinary people who are forced to choose between heating their home and putting food on the table.
Labour is raising defence expenditure to 2.5% of GDP while telling us there is no money to lift 250,000 children out of poverty. This is a lie. There is plenty of money – it’s just in the wrong hands. The richest 1% in the UK hold more wealth than 70% of Britons. By refusing to impose a wealth tax, this government has chosen to force vulnerable communities to pay the price for years of economic failure, instead of making the richest pay their fair share. Labour’s first budget shows us whose side they’re on.
Years of austerity and privatisation have decimated our public services and pushed millions into poverty, disproportionately impacting women, people of colour and disabled people. Making millions of children, working, retired and disabled people poorer damages our entire economy and stretches our public services. An austerity economy is a false economy.
We, along with nearly 100 progressive Independent and Green politicians across the country, are calling on the Labour government to: 1) introduce wealth taxes; 2) abolish the two-child benefit cap and stop attacking welfare recipients; 3) reverse cuts to winter fuel; 4) restore the £2 bus cap; and 5) invest in a Green New Deal.
We refuse to believe that child poverty, mass hunger and homelessness are inevitable in the sixth largest economy in the world. A progressive movement is growing up and down the country, demanding a real alternative to this race to the bottom between Labour and the Tories, which has seen the new government perpetuate decades of austerity and rampant corporate greed.”
Austerity is cutting spending/raising taxes expressly to reduce government debt costs. The U.K. government is increasing spending and increasing borrowing.
The only way to reject austerity still further would be to borrow even more.
The Scottish government can’t really impose austerity as it has almost no borrowing powers so any spending cuts are given back in tax cuts if there’s a level playing field.
The overall U.K. tax take as a share of GDP is projected to be the highest in history, with government spending as high as it ever has been in normal times.
You are certainly free to argue that taxes should go up still more to fund even more spending on the things you want. You can also argue for more U.K. government borrowing, as long as you are happy to have a weaker currency and higher inflation.
The Scottish Government can raise taxes if it wants, but even the “left” Humza froze council tax for example.
Where has all the money gone? Mostly on the costs of an ageing society- pensions, care at home and the NHS. Also debt interest payments have soared.
So, if it looks like austerity to you, why not look at the numbers?
It isn’t just me saying the Labour UK Government is maintaining austerity. It is many others. I suggest you research the likes of JRF, King’s Fund, Nuffield Trust, amongst others.
Here is one example, showing NHS in England funding is lower than NHS costs. (It also shows that the UK Government have cheated on the % increase for this year, which media didn’t report.)
https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2429
Here’s another example, there are many more.
https://www.jrf.org.uk/news/a-budget-that-does-not-put-more-pounds-in-peoples-pockets
Bizarre that some people happy to go with media headlines, instead of details from multiple experts.
And some people happy to ignore the cumulative effects of years of the ‘crash’, austerity, Covid, inflation, etc.
You won’t get a balanced perspective on Labour policy here.
I think it fine to point out its negatives but that will always be the narrow window through which it is viewed.
FWIW, you are of course right about Osborne, austerity and current Labour policy because you have that balanced perspective.
I mean, I’m hardly alone in pointing this out. Where you been?
How would you describe the following Labour policies:
not abolishing the 2 child benefit cap
cutting WFA to only the very poorest pensioners
not raising the income tax threshold’s
Labour is raising the income tax thresholds in 2028. It was Osborne who made the expensive decision to raise thresholds hugely in the first place, why not praise him?
Direct income taxes on average salaries in the U.K. are now at their lowest since the 1970s incidentally.
The two child cap is to be looked at in the spending review in March. It ought to be scrapped.
The point is that individual policies don’t represent austerity. Austerity is a deliberate strategy to cut government borrowing. But Labour is raising public borrowing by an extra £50bn and Shona Robison can’t believe her luck
Not raising tax thresholds leads to an increase in income tax paid year on year and drags more of lower paid into paying tax. It is in real terms a tax increase by stealth and the current government now own and are responsible for the policy until 2028.
The 2 child benefit review is a farce as every child welfare organisation (whose view I assume will be sought in review) state that scrapping it would be the singularly most effective action government could take to reduce child poverty. Why the wait?
The WFA is being cut for economic reasons with potentially disastrous consequences for pensioners just above the threshold.
Good luck telling pensioners, parents with more than 2 children and those on low pay who are being dragged into paying income tax that austerity is over. If the US election taught us anything it is that no matter if governments can tell public a good economic story it is how the individual is affected that counts. These 3 policies are going to make a lot of voters worse off.
Austerity is over. There may be individual cuts, but there is no policy of austerity. Look at the numbers!
There has been a big increase in government spending and borrowing since 2020, did you not notice?
You can shout this as loud as you like but unless the public agree with this analysis in their day to day life it is just hot air. I have outlined how due to government cuts (either sustained or implemented) your ‘austerity is over’ slogan will cut little ice with large sections of public.
In addition the effects of austerity from governments post 2010 will remain with us for some years to come so for many austerity is not over but a living reality.
I’m not putting out an “austerity is over” slogan. I’m merely correcting the assertion made by Mike, in the interests of clarity. It might well feel like austerity for many, but the government is not pursuing austerity/fiscal consolidation- it is doing the opposite, for now at any rate.
The reality is that overall taxes are higher, spending is higher, borrowing is higher. The environment is ripe for grievance but not conducive to optimism about independence.
Mike cites David McWilliams but his joke about Irish independence was that the first 70 years are the worst! The Irish didn’t become independent because they thought it might save them a few quid. Yet the 2014 IndyRef got stuck discussing hypothetical financials or, on the fringes, idealistic utopias.
The upside is that the Scottish Parliament gained more powers from Westminster, and used them a little.
That’s progress.
With respect Austerity is Over was the first sentence in your reply to me!
There is little point comparing Irish independence and Scottish independence movements as the historical and political situations of Ireland at start of 20th century and Scotland at start of 21st century are vastly different.
Studies have shown that the biggest determining factor in 2014 referendum was home ownership. This would indicate, whether people like it or not, that perceived economic outcomes under independence are one of the most significant factors in the independence debate for a large number of Scottish electorate.
While additional powers to Hollywood are welcome the greater interference by Westminster in Holyrood affairs that we have seen are not. Holyrood still falls a long way short of meeting Gordon Brown’s promise of being the most powerful devolved parliament anywhere in the world.
Whether or not it’s austerity is not particularly relevant, if the proceeds of growth – assuming there is growth – end up in the bank accounts of the better off. What matters is whether or not it is redistributive. We’ve just seen a spectacular demonstration of this in the USA. If the people experience it as austerity, then trying to convince them that it’s not just makes matters worse. I fear we may be on a similar trajectory here in the UK.
Mike,
This is one of THE most cogent, thoughtful, and intelligent descriptions of where we are today that I have read.
Long, but needed.
Though I think that Scotland being independent is normal, desirable, and sensible my worry is that there are just not enough of the people who live here that have enough confidence and ambition and the balls to change much. Sad but true.
But that doesn’t mean that those of us who want to see a much better Scotland for our Grandchildren should stop saying it. Any which way they can.
You are one of those who can articulate things best, so please keep it going!
Thanks George.
Having supported Scottish liberation for 24 years now I doubt it will ever happen, it seems everybody knows what needs to be done but nobody wants put their head above the parapet.
To get the ball rolling, I would suggest that the Holyrood Administration pick a thing, anything that Westminster says no to and just do it.
Offering work visas to our European friends would be a good one, something both the Tories and Labour said they would look at prior to the election but have now conveniently forgotten about.
What would they (Westminster do?) Tanks on the streets of Edinburgh? Possibly, they were quick to send gunboats up the Mersey in 1911.
SNP administrations could have implemented serious progressive land reform at any time in the last 17 years. They could have secured a cross-party majority for meaningful measures but have chosen not to try. The current administration’s empty Land Reform Bill maintains that stance. Don’t hold your breath for anything transformative – or anything at all, really. The politicians at Holyrood simply aren’t up for it.
A depressingly accurate assessment. To land reform, add local taxation. And much else beyond, no doubt.
I get the feeling that for many, scotindy is a social hobby-horse for people who are uninterested in campaigning for change in the here-and-now and would be just as uninterested in campaigning for change under Scottish independence. The result appears to be a whole bunch of people obsessed about how to get a referendum rather that why anyone would want one in the first place.
Do you aye?
Aye, but… Naw but… Feelins! 🙂
‘Do you aye’ is an unbecoming and worthless invective comment from someone who sounds like they lost their brain under the bed.
The great bulk of the Scottish independence campaign was Salmond telling people how wealthier they would be after he got to slash the corporation tax on Amazon and BP. As far as I can remember, the radical bits of the campaign had nothing much to say about that, and a decade later the author has infinitely more to say about Gordon Brown’s campaign than Alex Salmond’s.
You weren’t really paying attention, were you? Sometimes if you don’t really know what you;re talking about its okay to sit it out.
Just so.
Oh dear. You were too preoccupied for slippery reality, and you have your own tack-welded reality that you yourself constructed around yourself and your associates?
An interesting and thought provoking article.
The events of this week and reaction from UK politicians and media have made me realise that many people in Scotland cling to UK in a similar way that many people cling to USA regardless of how the larger partner treats them. This attitude is drummed into populace by constant media messaging and induces a lack of confidence in the smaller partner.
UK politics often follows US politics and it is not beyond possibility that an Anglo nationalist party will become increasingly popular south of border decrying all the supposed handouts that Scotland and Wales get from benevolent England (to quote Daily Mail/Telegraph etc). If this were to arise there is every chance England will declare independence from the troublesome Celtic nations rather than other way round!
‘The independence movement needs a profound re-think, a re-build from the ground up’.
I agree with this assessment but can not see a re-think or a re-build happening. The infectious energy – an accurate description – of 2014 did not produce much, if any, serious thinking. The absence of serious thinking explains why Nicola Sturgeon – unmentioned in the article – was able to ignore the ‘Yes Movement’ so successfully.
This leaves an absence of solid thinking to fall back on; land reform might be an exception but supporters of that idea have failed to convince urban Scotland that this matters to them.
As for re-building, the Scottish Left’s disappearance from electoral politics since 2016, means that there are no foundations to re-build on
and a shortage or workers to do the re-building.
A further problem is that the Left has, across much of the Anglosphere become associated with two particular toxicities; both on view in the recent US election. One is a disdain for the opinions of working people on issues like immigration; the second is support for absurd attempts at social engineering. (Holyrood, most of whose members see themselves as on the Left, passed a foolish law on sexual self-identification. )
The Left starts with the political equivalent of a huge points deduction.
Ironically, the party best set to improve its support in Scotland is Reform, despite having no roots or leaders in the country.
‘We live in digital silos . . . literally talking to ourselves.’ You said it and it is even truer today than in 2014. How much does it matter ? Ask Kamala Harris.
FA this is classic extrapolating what has happened in USA and basically trying to show that 2+2=5
The reasons the SNP failed in General Election and may well struggle in 2026 Holyrood election are;
1)The personal economic outlook for individuals in Scotland (like UK, Europe & USA) has not been great for last few years post COVID, war in Ukraine & Brexit (UK).
– most of this is outwith Holyrood’s powers with current devolution settlement.
2)Public services, especially NHS, are struggling post COVID. SNP government do hold some responsibility for this and voters (as in other parts of UK) are not happy with deteriorating public services.
3)Overall competence of SNP government is questionable. While some of this is due to hostile pile on there are enough examples of poor performance to make criticism stick.
4)Internal SNP competence- be it the missing donations, party finances or leadership issues. All of this looks amateurish and plays badly with electorate.
5)Blocked route to another independence referendum by Westminster. If there is no feasible route to independence this leads to electorate questioning the point of voting for SNP.
I agree the Gender Reform legislation was ahead of where public opinion is at present. This has only become a bigger issue primarily because electorate cannot believe that Holyrood is spending so much time on this issue when economy and public services are failing. In addition it has been weaponised by media and Westminster (who originally were going to introduce similar legislation) to get at Holyrood & SNP. The other takeaway is that a movement (such as independence movement) that relies on widespread support cannot get too far ahead of popular opinion on issues.
Immigration is a bigger issue in England due to larger numbers etc though this has not stopped far right trying to weaponise it in Scotland with limited success so far.
Reform increased support at GE but received only half the level of support in Scotland they got in UK in total. There is no doubt an audience for their dogma in Scotland within some parts of Tory Party, Labour Orange Lodge Unionists and possibly some voters disillusioned with all the other parties wishing to give them a kick. I would think their support is restricted to Brexit supporters in Scotland which will limit its appeal. They will benefit most if electorate stays at home in 2026 as Labour benefitted from SNP voters staying at home in Scotland at GE.
Lastly support for independence remains at around 50% despite all the trials and tribulations of SNP with support being higher in younger people. This does not mean that independence is inevitable and it may not be an Immediate priority for many people but it does indicate that the movement is still alive and kicking and for many Scots some form of independence is in principle the preferred method governance.
‘I would think their (Reform’s) support is restricted to Brexit supporters in Scotland.’
That would give them 1,018,000 potential voters. Nigel Farage would happily settle for that.
By way of contrast, the SNP got 750,000 votes in the recent general election.
There’s lies, damned lies, statistics and FA extrapolating!
‘gender reform legislation was ahead of where public opinion is at present’.
The use of the word ‘ahead’ of public opinion is interesting. I would say detached from public opinion.
The public, in polling booths, made this clear. The SNP vote fell from 1,242,000 in 2019 to 750,000 in 2024. SNP idiocy in their social policies made a big contribution to this massive fall.
The likelihood of public opinion coming to support legislation which allows a male rapist to choose to serve his sentence in a female prison is roughly zero.
the big problem i think with every political party is there are too many newbie numpties in positions they are simply unfit to occupy, the current administration in the lowland office ov the great british state is pretty much tony bliar’s new labour in a yellow jersey, free luv, wee smoke ae the peace pipe & let the findhorn fairies entertain the plebs with their unique take on scottish culture, i.e., so scottish it’s comically so, particularly since, to meet the standards of holyrood’s cultural oligarchs & appease the dweebs that control the book trade all work pertaining to the scottish ‘race’ as they seem to see it, must be writtin & performed in either sum cliched type of comedy speak or sum wattrd doun version ov standarised anglaise/scots; anyhoo, as per aywis, ’twas a sad day wi left the croft, many thanks, Mark.
FA – the majority of voters do not cast or withhold their vote on social issues but on economy, services, competence and in Scotland independence. Of course there are a few people who feel so strongly on an individual social issue that they will base their vote on it. Majority of electorate are not anti trans but disliked the legislation, how it was implemented and the fact it seemed to take up so much of Holyrood’s time and energy to detriment of more pressing concerns. This was highlighted by hostile media and Westminster interfering. To allow all this to happen shows a lack of foresight and competence by Scottish government and also probably harmed trans community more than helped it.
I would be very reluctant to predict the future, unlike your good self, but I am old enough to remember when homosexuality was looked upon by general public as immoral and gay people were at the receiving end of public shame and discrimination. If you had told the young me that I would be living in an era where homosexual people could marry and that I and many others would not bat an eyelid at having gay neighbours I would have asked you what you were drinking!
‘a majority of voters do not cast, or withhold, their votes on social issues but on economy, services, competence and . . . independence.’
This is a misleading dichotomy. Other issues can and do matter hugely. In Scotland, we have had evidence of this recently. The ‘trans self-identification’ issue was one; Michael Matheson’s expenses claim was another. In both cases voters concluded that the SNP was, by its behaviour, insulting their intelligence. Labour, no more principled than the SNP, proved the beneficiaries.
(Something very similar happened a week ago in the USA. Even Donald Trump proved preferable to Democrats with their equally foolish stance on the trans issue.)
The big political story here is that the SNP has sabotaged the independence cause. It is much, much further away than it was on 19th September 2014.
FA – if you had just written – ‘I hate trans people, I hate all political parties that don’t hate trans people especially the SNP’
This would have saved us all a lot of time.
Cheerio
The chances of any MSP taking the living wage and giving the surplus to philanthropy currently look non-existent.
Great piece, Mike, and much to discuss in it. I remember canvassing in an Edinburgh tenement during the referendum campaign, and people from several other flats, hearing the discussion taking place on the stair, coming out to join in with much good humour, the increasing hubbub drawing more and more people out of their flats – a truly revolutionary moment when suddenly the political became personal and old boundaries dissolved.
But moments such as these can never be sustained for very long. The next push for independence will need to feature rupture, rather than continuity, much more prominently than in 2014. I doubt that such a new push will emerge from what remains of the 2014 Yes movement. More likely it will erupt upon the scene from a hitherto unsuspected source – like the peace movement of the 1980s, which was so different from the old-style CND. Yet, somehow, it seems important to keep the movement going, to foster discussion, break down barriers, and to try and engage with others as circumstances allow.
how much would a first edition of the national newspaper be worth to one of you lucky shoppers?
micht iz weel gie eck his poyem:
Fit goes on roun here,
av haff a mind tae cheer,
ma usual wares don’t care,
ma boot’s ay ful’ ae spares,
each mornin in the square.
Tak oot the new binocs,
the 2nd pairae socks,
eyespy a bow & ox.
Nixt time ah park the van,
let’s see fa shid be bannd,
& how’s about thir mony
clingirs on, for a psalm
fulla praise, not a song.
A manny on a chute,
a billy on the lute,
10 squirrels on the run,
a muntir wie a gun.
Wissit jist the same, or
jist sum thugs new game,
except ma leg’s in pain.
Wis this the dweeb in charge,
sum 10 a penny Sarge,
peer Stan fair blew up large,
ahl hae tae ask oor Marge
fa’s next up gitn blastid
in the Sun.
Or stude
on a mountain, to be stung
by horse flies on the make,
stuck on license plates,
spies that take & take,
fa’s een went dim, Tuesday night,
in the flickrin candilabra light?
*
Wilde threw on his gown,
tore ald Shaky down,
far his space wis on the wa’
the ful’ squad, plus fitba,
tae please ald Ma & Pa,
nivirmind Grandma,
fa’s bizzy knittin socks,
studyn the box
tae see fa’s got the hooks, tae
git himsel’ in books
ae greatist fechters ivir
since George stole up the rivir,
ald Granny bides hail clivir
wie coppirs, notes, &, silvir.
*
In news straicht frae the crown,
sivin yung cunts drown,
dare say sum tool got whackt
fur lack ae wint, wint ae craic.
Stick mine on the slate,
Mr Whippy, plus, wan flake,
or, fire back tae the ‘deen,
fresh meat fur the obscene,
stul’ living ald boys’ dreams.
Poring o’er each scene
ae bludy crime, unseen,
yet flickrin in baith beams,
each brutal scheme sae mean
kept ye strong & lean.
Fin reachin the main square,
a sight far less than fair,
am chufft tae see it there,
like a slab ae sum New York
pickt up on Dad’s pitch fork,
then turft o’er Union Street
far we used tae greet.
Now it’s o’er brigs alone,
jist tae find wan phone,
shivrs thru the bones,
lie doun alow black stones
whilst nashvils rise & groan
frae heights climbd jist tae moan,
fixt on the nixt great date
ae splite new licence plates.
Sae long’s am nivir late
– Grand sale! Or, jist stalemate,
kain fit they micht hate?
Less messy, stress free States,
much like the wans we left,
the usual scene, bereft.
*
A storm tore Shaky down,
ald Shamus hung around,
ran aff wie piggy banks,
back tae yon scratch that stank.
Clear heidy, countn blanks
afore they send the tanks,
whip oot the ald machete,
instead ae full Tonto, full Teddy!
re John 13 November 2024 at 1.05p. m.
I did not write what you suggest I should have written because it does not reflect what I believe; still less does it represent what I have written.
I will not speculate on why you have misrepresented me.
I do note that that sensible sympathizers with the Democratic Party – Matt Yglesias and Maureen Dowd, for example – have conceded that support for extreme pro-Trans policies proved disastrous for the party.
FA – I am a 60.+ heterosexual male who has had no contact with trans community.
It is not a subject that has ever been on my radar in my life and certainly not when voting. None of the female members of my family have any particular issues with trans community and therefore my views on trans issue reflect my general view that sexual issues are primarily personal and of no particular interest to me.
You, on the other hand, appear obsessed with trans issues citing it in virtually every post so I can only assume from that is a major issue for you. Your obsession does appear to border on hatred and you are also virulent in your criticism of politicians and parties that have a different opinion hence my summary of how you come across.
I too wonder what psychologically drives your obsession with trans issues – repressed sexual feelings?
The utterly foolish commitment to an extreme version of trans ‘rights’ has played a major part in ending the careers of Nicola Sturgeon and Kamala Harris. Only silo-dwellers fail to recognize that this is a significant political development.
Thanks for your psychological assessment, I will always treasure it.
FA – if you have read my reply I acknowledged Gender Reform bill was not popular and I said it was unwise for a party trying to build popular support to spend so much political capital on it. How does this relate to me being in a silo? – I would imagine it is a pretty widely held view. It primarily feeds into a narrative of priorities and competence of government.
Whilst acknowledging trans rights is not popular with many of the electorate I am sure (and polling backs me up) that when people voted at GE and next Hollywood election the majority will decide their vote on economy, public services, government competence and in Scotland independence. I would suggest that your obsession with trans issues actually shows that you are the one in a silo.
‘trans rights is not popular with many of the electorate’
On the contrary, most of the electorate is relaxed about trans rights, as I am. The objection is to the aggressive promotion of an extreme version of trans rights which discriminates against females. This, amongst other things, gives political ammunition to unpleasant individuals like Donald Trump.