Nicola Sturgeon, lessons and legacy
Nicola Sturgeon’s announcement that she was standing down next year came as a surprise to no-one. She, like a great many of her colleagues and peers, is giving up on politics to turn their attention to, well having a life. And, who could blame her? Well, it turns out almost everyone.
Sturgeon’s announcement was closely followed by the news that the Branchform investigation, that had dragged on for an incredible four years, had proved her in the clear and would not be pursuing any further investigations into her, or ex-party treasurer MSP Colin Beattie.
Police Scotland said the former Scottish first minister would not face any charges after her former husband, Peter Murrell, appeared for a private hearing at Edinburgh sheriff court on a single charge of embezzlement on Thursday.
“I am completely in the clear,” Sturgeon told reporters outside her home in Uddingston, near Glasgow. “That is the outcome I would always have expected.”
The news was grudgingly accepted by various news outlets. The BBC managed a disappointed: “Nicola Sturgeon says she is ‘completely in the clear’ following police investigation.”
But the news of Sturgeon’s clearance provoked a range of responses. She is a hero to many and a villain to some. Uniquely she unites Unionist and Nationalist critics, people who see her as a trans ally and those who see her as a traitor to womanhood. She remains the centre of a dazzling array of conspiracies, from being at the heart of the ‘plot’ to bring down Alex Salmond, to still, despite being cleared, guilty of embezzling SNP funds earmarked for a referendum campaign. Wilder conspiracies suggested that she ‘pretended’ to read, a charge provoked by her regular championing and celebration of reading and her regular appearances at the Edinburgh Book Festival. She was praised, and loathed, for her handling of the coronavirus. Her daily briefings were in contrast to Boris Johnson’s shambolic, evasive presentations which seemed to do the opposite of give people confidence that those in charge were either honest or competent.
Every facet of her personality – from her clothes to her sexuality has been analysed exposing the double standards that are at play for men and women in public life. She has been the subject of years of abuse and her every clothing, shoes and makeup scrutinised. The criticisms were confused. She was not “clubbable” according to some journos, for which, I think they meant, male. She had no hinterland argued others, while also being criticised for reading books. In the end of the day she was, as Neil Mackay has argued ‘For some, she’ll always be guilty of simply being Nicola Sturgeon’.
She was dubbed “the most dangerous woman in Britain” by the Daily Mail, a charge she no doubt relished. But there was a dichotomy at play here between the panic/admiration she evoked and the actual power she pursued. In 2015 Piers Morgan wrote, in typically understated style: “This diminutive but sharp-witted woman has rampaged through the UK election campaign like a mini-Godzilla, breathing fire and brimstone in such a passionate manner that even Wallace himself – a Scottish warrior hero immortalized by Mel Gibson in the movie Braveheart, who died trying (and failing..) to wrestle independence from the English in the late 13th Century – might have struggled to emulate it.”
“Today, Sturgeon unveiled the SNP’s manifesto with a speech of such dynamism that even many English voters were left drooling with admiration.”
“She’s made every other party leader look tame and lame by contrast and shaken the foundations of the UK’s political machinery to the very core.”
Chris Deerin, who made an entire journalistic career out of the politician, joined in the hysteria. He, like many of his colleagues, couldn’t help but default to the lazy comparison of Margaret Thatcher:
“Although poles apart politically – and Sturgeon herself would run the Royal Mile in Edinburgh at the comparison – she shares many similarities with Margaret Thatcher.”
“Like Mrs T, the SNP leader transformed her image from that of a dowdy egghead into a glamorous, power-dressing imperatrix – emphasising a mixture of elegant feminine charm and steel.”
“Her strength of character and willpower have driven her to the top of a party that has traditionally been dominated by powerful men in kilts.”
“What has lifted her above these male rivals is her emotional intelligence. Although naturally shy, her two decades in politics has seen her grow into a polished public performer.”
“Make no mistake, however: she is unequivocally left-wing.”
“And she is also an avowed feminist. Indeed, during her SNP conference speech last month she said: ‘I am determined that – unlike that other woman leader we once knew – I will use my time in this job to improve the lives of women across our country.’
“One of her first acts as First Minister was to create a gender-balanced Cabinet.”
If you set aside the sexism and weird stereotypes, and Deerin’s shock that a politician should be “unequivocally left-wing” or an “avowed feminist”, the fact is that Sturgeon was progressive rather than radical. That she provoked such vitriol from the phalanx of male columnists and bloggers is in part because she replaced their iconic leader in Alex Salmond, and ultimately failed to cover up for him.
But if Sturgeon provoked such responses among the chatterati, the truth was more prosaic. While she rode the strange wave of post-referendum euphoria that led to historic election victories, her actual return for these was slim. In policy terms Sturgeon’s record in health, education and on the constitution are limited.
But if the sort of gushing praise that writers like Morgan or Deerin expressed was common at one stage, so too was disdain and vitriol. Much of the hatred that Sturgeon evoked was, to be honest for being a woman, and an ordinary woman from a working-class background. If you search through the detritus of extreme accounts they are dripping with barely concealed misogyny and contempt for her.
Praise at a UK level, quickly burnt out, and by the time she was fronting the daily coronavirus briefings she was under relentless assault. Some, including me, thought she should have closed the border, and like New Zealand created a cordon sanitaire during the lockdown, others were shocked at the very idea that any such border existed. For those who believe Britain is a single unitary entity, the idea of there being differing devolved responses to the covid pandemic was anathema, many revealing their complete ignorance of devolution existing at all.
But if Sturgeon provoked a mixture of praise and condemnation through the covid period, this pattern would be replicated over and over with those who detest the idea of Scottish independence expressing their loathing for her, while some of those who support independence expressing their disappointment at her inability to convert electoral success into constitutional change.
A Life in Politics
Sturgeon has been a MSP since 1999, so has been in the public eye for a quarter of a century. Her political career has ranged from the Scottish elections of 2003, when the SNP held only five Westminster seats, to the high-water mark of 2015 with the SNP winning 56 of the 59 Scottish seats under her leadership, becoming the third-largest party in the House of Commons (replacing the Liberal Democrats) and the largest party in Scotland, knocking Labour from the status which it had held since 1964.
She was elected unopposed as SNP leader in November 2014 – in the aftermath of the failed independence referendum – and was subsequently appointed as first minister, becoming the first woman to hold either position.
Inevitably, the only way from the high point of 2015 was down, and it is tempting to evoke Enoch Powell’s famous maxim. But the most serious accusation against Sturgeon was that this amazing result of 2015 was squandered. In years gone by such unprecedented results would have been the trigger for constitutional change in and of itself. But, the British establishment was deeply shaken by the experience of the 2014 referendum, and David Cameron had responded to it, not by making concessions to further devolution but by turning to England and the Brexit campaign. The astonishing electoral successes under her leadership were not to be converted into any real concerted pressure to gain independence. Looking back that is in itself incredible, and unforgivable. How is that even possible? Under the leadership of Alex Salmond, then Angus Robertson, then Ian Blackford, the SNP at Westminster could embarrass the UK government, ask difficult questions and generally cause trouble. But so much for the ‘holding their feet to the fire’ the recurring question was What Were They Doing There? Aside from the obvious answer of representing their constituents, there didn’t seem to be a coherent answer from anyone, not least Sturgeon.
Sturgeon’s inability to make political capital out of massive electoral success is the key allegation against her. Under her leadership, there seemed to be no strategy between Holyrood and Westminster and no real sense of what the historic 56 out of 59 MPs should do. There is a sense in which Sturgeon’s qualities: attention to detail, efficiency and knowing her brief, were not compatible with the qualities required in leadership – vision and the ability to inspire people.
But that criticism, while it can be left at her door, is also a criticism of the wider party she belongs to. Sturgeon is both the creator and product of the modern Scottish National Party, a ruthless electoral machine, which had New Labour-like party efficiency, discipline and comms but also suffered from some of the same fatal flaws.
If defenders of Sturgeon can point to the cascade of abuse and personal criticism she suffered over the years, there is also the truth that the ‘cult of Nicola’ was curated and maintained, it did not arise spontaneously out of the ether. In this sense Sturgeon’s public persona was more like Blair than the lazy comparisons with Thatcher. The other obvious flaws that this New Labour-SNP entity suffered from was the concentration of power at the very top. It should never have been the case that a married couple were both leader of the party and chief executive, that was a ridiculous scenario to have been allowed to play out. But the concentration of power at the top had other consequences in that the party ceded democracy and other ideas and personalities were prevented from flourishing. Like most of contemporary politics there is a trade-off between what works for the media: a tight disciplined message and the projection of a single figure, and what works for the party and movement, the flourishing of ideas debated and multiple sources of leadership. It’s difficult to have both.
There were other contradictions. Sturgeon is lambasted by some for having introduced the Gender Reform legislation and stood by it. For some she is a traitor to womenhood for having betrayed them. Yet at the time this legislation had cross-party support, and its equivalent is law across Europe with little of the hysteria that has beset it here.
The furore that surrounded the debate is a mirror to much of Sturgeon’s career that is ultimately, more heat than light. On the one hand the former First Minister attracts opposition and bile from both her Unionist critics and the enrage element of the nationalist movement, but cutting through the rage and contempt there is little of great substance to see. Beyond the froth and fury there is a competent but ordinary person. Sturgeon grew up in and was formed by a political party that has at its heart a contradiction. It both wants to see the break-up of other British state, a radical concept in itself, but it is populated by functionaries and individuals who faithfully flocked to Westminster and caused little of a disturbance.
It is difficult to tell, with hindsight, what impact Sturgeon could have made had circumstances not been different. Four completely unforeseen events changed the political career of Nicola Sturgeon.
The toll of presiding over the lockdown experience, which no-one could have predicted, was a considerable one – and a colossal challenge for the political leaders who were thrust into that position. The culture wars raged throughout Sturgeon’s time as First Minister, and she was navigating her way through issues that no-one had predicted even a few years before. She has stood by her choices and defended her position as a trans ally. The personal trauma of living though the Salmond trial and fallout was a massive event that, despite her accuser’s allegations, was not of her making. And finally, living through four years of the Branchform Investigation was a traumatic experience that can’t really be understood or underplayed. At the end of the day, after millions of pounds of public money, Nicola Sturgeon’s reputation has been dragged through the dirt for no reason. The whole investigation centred on a few hundred thousand pounds of donations to the SNP, while vast industrial scale sums of money seem to have been money-laundered through the covid crisis with little or no inquiry or prosecution. You can only speculate what different outcomes might have emerged had these historic and epic events not played out.
I think Sturgeon made grave political mistakes, though they are no ones she is usually accused of. But she also faced a British state that was resolute in refusing any democratic test for the Scottish people despite relentless mandates and overwhelming electoral support. A different, more courageous leader might have taken this on and produced greater political success, but this is not who she was. She was not, in fact, “the most dangerous women in Britain”, but a confident, likeable and highly successful politician, just not one suited to the task of breaking up a Union and leading people to self-determination.
Are you serious? This is a joke article surely?
What do you think is the joke, WT?
I agree with your closing paragraph, but the resurrected idea she was this woman of probity who would not cover up for Salmond is tosh- she was the fons et origo of the ‘Bring me the head of Eck’ conspiracy…
The truth is if Alex Salmond had acted towards his young female staff in a way appropriate to his status as FM there would have been no complaints against him and no court case. The case was pretty thin (though there were multiple complainants) and that is why he was declared ultimately innocent of criminal charges. However he admitted the so called ‘sleepy cuddles’ incident and was forced to apologise to the individual concerned. He admitted in court that his behaviour was poor, just “not criminal”. After the court case the logical response would have been to make a public apology and let the public draw their own conclusions. Instead he concocted a conspiracy theory and blamed everything on his successor as First Minister and his gullible party of elderly misogynists lapped it up. Unless Nicola Sturgeon controlled Salmond through a complicated VR suit he was ultimately responsible for his own behaviour. I liked Salmond and he was a good leader of the SNP but this certainly wasn’t his finest hour.
I await your thoughts on the misfeasance case, if,hopefully, it happens- ignoring Sturgeons omissions/forgetfulness is not a good look- to dismiss the notion that a gaggle of tertiary educated 6 figure salary women could be corralled into a corrupt, tenuous(thin! you say!)version of Moorov, directly by a U.K. civil servant+ her in-house spook, shows your selective approach to these events- the whole episode is now meant to drift away,with main players retired pensioned,promoted, paid-off or re- invented, a la Sturgeon… shocking..
The 2015 result was because Yessers (understandably upset by the referendum result) turned to the SNP and won a famous victory for the party. However it has to be understood that this was one year after a convincing win for the unionists and on a lower turnout than the referendum itself. These facts show that it would have been politically impossible at that time to claim this was a result which overturned the referendum result just one year before. It strengthened the SNP and Scotland’s voice in Westminster but it couldn’t be used to declare independence because the timing was all wrong. When Brexit happened it gave the SNP the chance to call for a second referendum, this they duly did and they spent some time trying to reverse the hardness of the Brexit result because leaving the EU was something the Scottish people opposed and the SNP have always stood up for the Scottish interest as their other strand of politics to independence support. Nicola Sturgeon was stuck in a bind. Realistically the only way to show that Scots wanted independence was a second referendum. So she got the conditions for that post Brexit, a reasonable amount of time passed and the public voted in the SNP and Greens on a pro referendum ticket. Unfortunately the fact that in 2014 Salmond had negotiated a S30 order led to the expectation that a further similar order would be needed which clearly was not going to be forthcoming from the British government. The only answer was to hold a referendum without the order but it wasn’t entirely clear that Holyrood had the power to legislate for one and the spectre of a legal challenge was raised. Nicola Sturgeon decided to pre-empt this completely inevitable legal challenge by taking the case to the Supreme Court and allowing the Scottish government to present a case. We all know the ultimate result even though it contradicts the thoughts of the Blair government which introduced devolution in the first place and according to its own papers had agreed Holyrood could hold a referendum on anything up to and including independence. Sturgeon didn’t give up, she suggested a de facto referendum through an election result and was popular enough at the time to win one depute the controversies over the GRA and the opportunistic behaviour of Alba who wrongly blamed her for the behaviour of the former SNP leader Alex Salmond. Suddenly the mysterious Branchform case appeared not long after Nicola Sturgeon had resigned and which caused a second set of legal problems for the SNP after the Alex Salmond court case (Alex had left the SNP but a former SNP leader being potentially done for rape would have undoubtedly hurt the party significantly and the press headlines were lurid). Nicola Sturgeon had resigned but it was clear the state was worried she could come back so a massive police investigation was launched with the clear purpose of burying her reputation which case lasted for years. She has emerged triumphant eventually but she was ultimately not responsible for the second independence referendum proposal failing. It was the British state who ultimately blocked it and unfortunately devolution is ultimately in the gift of that state and they can decide exactly what is devolved and what isn’t. After the Supreme Court verdict any unionist council could refuse to facilitate a second referendum and have legal grounds to do so. The second referendum route is ultimately then dead and buried. The fact that the state took extreme steps to tarnish Nicola Sturgeon’s reputation and even adjusted devolution to stop any second referendum in its tracks is because they know if they held one Yes would win it. Humza Yousaf didn’t reach Nicola Sturgeon levels of popularity and he had the usual dreadful press that all SNP leaders endure. Dumping the Greens was a tactical error which ended our majority in parliament. John Swinney with Kate Forbes has picked up the pieces but the only thing that will end the union is another en masse 2015 style vote for the SNP. The time is now right for that and at the last election the SNP had the right manifesto for it. However we were also divided n ruled and were squeezed by the British parties and the overwhelming agenda to get rid of the Tories. Now Labour have proven to be as bad as the Tories (as the SNP suggested but were not believed) another opportunity is there but the fact is staying at home and abstaining last year has significantly set the cause back. Alba have caused massive division in the movement even though they have failed electorally and many people are following their flawed thinking ie that the SNP deliberately led independence supporters up the garden path repeatedly but I hope I have explained here that that is not in fact objective reality. The British state incidentally controls devolution (power devolved is power retained) but international law trumps domestic law. If there is a clear vote for independence through an electoral contest then that will be a vote then international community will respect. We can put a motion declaring independence through Holyrood, remove our MPs and disrupt co-operation with the British state but this can only happen if there is a clear actual vote for our independence. John Swinney can’t declare independence without it. The SNP current strategy is to use the powers of devolution to encourage support for taking all the powers and build support until it becomes inevitable. Post devolution it would be mad not to use the powers we do have to try and do this so it is the most logical choice but at some point we are going to have to actually turn up and give him the massive vote that says “we want independence” and no other organisation is organised enough to arrange this. Believe in Scotland are probably the only one that comes close. Blaming Nicola Sturgeon for not achieving the impossible isn’t useful or fair to what she did actually achieve in government for the Scottish people ie an inspiring leadership which showed greater things were possible for our country. No doubt she made mistakes along the way but it’s hard to see what she could have done better (even retrospectively) given the prevailing circumstances.
John, thanks for your detailed response here, it allows me to see how some people view the Sturgeon period. There’s a couple of things I have to point out, it wasn’t the state that tried to sully her reputation, it was the apparent disappearance of funds etc. That had to be investigated. As for the supreme court action ask Martin Keatings about the SNPs actions that practically bankrupted the man. As for her difficulties in prising Scotland out of the UK it was her who made gaining a section 30 the ‘gold standard’. This was during a period where the UK had a series of well below par PMs. There was an opportunity there for her, particularly with 50 plus MPs in WM and she played her hand badly. If Scotland wants independence our representatives have to stop playing by the rules set by those who do not want us to leave and to maintain the status quo. I hope this doesn’t come across aggressively – I really do appreciate the chance to see how you see things. It helps me to understand a different viewpoint. Thanks
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Thanks Joe. A realistic view IMO. At the core of the issue about independence is OUR collective failure to persuade soft ‘No’ voters to shift sufficiently to the idea of independence. There is no doubt that Sturgeon, like Salmond was a ‘Marmite’ figure to the wider population but the fact that the flames of division were skilfully fanned to distract from independence and undermine confidence hasn’t helped. Even now the Sturgeon/Salmond drama continues to inflame and distract. It’s a tool that will be used again and again whenever independence rears its head.
Her failure, and the current failure, is that the claims and accounting used to undermine the independence arguments and promote ‘certainty and stability’ hasn’t been exposed for the magic beans is truly was/is.
Good,clear, piece, Joe- but you ignore what was done TO Salmond+why..
I think Mike has written an excellent, well-balanced piece, but I have quite a long list of things Nicola Sturgeon could have done, or done much better, but chose not to; starting with a review of the strengths and weaknesses of the 2014 referendum campaign, being inclusive and taking a big tent approach to government, making good use of the wide range of Scottish and international talent that could have been available to her administrations, taking a collegiate approach to leadership, giving her ministers the scope to take initiatives, working constructively with the wider independence movement and helping strengthen rather than curtail and stifle it, and, probably most important of all, developing a strategy.
I think I would agree with all of the above Graeme.
Prior to 2014 the independence movement was largely united and there was a basic level of respect amongst all participants on the Yes side. Unfortunately Nicola Sturgeon had to deal with the emergence of Alba and their subsequent online toxification of the independence debate. The false equivalence with New Labour ie Nu SNP smear, constant talk of carrots, supposedly comfy MPs at Westminster, “why don’t we just declare independence already” and other bitter rejoinders is now standard on every news story mentioning the Scottish government. Alba joined with the Tories to launch despicable attacks on Sturgeon and the SNP for the minor change in LGBT rights represented by the GRA and falsely claimed it showed Nicola Sturgeon as implacably hostile to woman’s rights. It was also Alba members along with Clerkin who were the instigators of the ‘Branchform’ farce. Alba are also constantly attacking the Greens and claiming that both SNP and Greens ‘aren’t serious’ about independence despite the SNP campaigning for it for 90 years. Independence is down to all of us. We all need to make a positive case for it and we are all to blame if isn’t progressing but some people really don’t help matters. The SNP isn’t the enemy. Nicola Sturgeon did her best in government to progress the independence cause and she should receive a basic level of respect for that effort and her long years of service to the independence cause not the bitter hatred towards her showed by online Alba supporters and their fellow travellers. It’s a big problem and it has undermined the greater independence cause. I’m sure her book (out in August) will be revealing and will explain her thinking on a lot of the issues raised in Mike’s article but she certainly didn’t have it easy, not least having to navigate the COVID pandemic (and the freezing of normal political activity that caused), something which she did well but must have been horrendously difficult. The SNP also have to deal with a corrupt media and three (now 4) avowedly anti-Scottish democracy parties working against them from London so they can’t necessarily easily dominate the political agenda. It’s worth bearing that in mind.
I think you will find that many in LGB community want no truck with the T
Lesbians are not happy that a man can claim to be a lesbian and invade their spaces.
Gay men are not happy that children who are gender non conforming as many of them were in childhood, can be socially transitioned as the opposite sex, rather than being allowed to grow up and be same sex attracted. This is homophobic and an attempt some say to “trans the gay away” . So as you claim a small change.
As for the effect on women rights from the words and actions of Sturgeon …long given up trying to get the male readers on here to start paying attention
Gender Reform …”is law in Europe with little hysteria”……is it aye? “little hysteria” ?…how would you know? …Where is your evidence for that statement ? Have you given space to the women in Spain,, France Germany, Ireland etc who protest constantly and strongly to these laws and are fighting for their stuff back. Have you looked into how some European countries are having a big rethink on their gender affirming approaches and eg. where kids are concerned now banning puberty blockers and cross sex hormones? Do you like those European laws too? Or just the ones that allow male rapists into women prisons …y”now the kind of men the saintly Sturgeon struggled to identify?
Is your whole argument Europe has similar laws so what’s the problem? Im sure Europe has lots of laws you dont like and wouldn’t want introduced here.
The hardest people to wake up are those pretending to be asleep. Your use of the word “hysteria” tells women all we need to know.
Well said Elaine. The ‘nothing to see here’ to this whole debate is so ignorant.
You are correct in that Sturgeon was not “the most dangerous woman in Britain”.
As First Minister and leader of the SNP Nicola Sturgeon was most certainly deleterious to Scotland and to Scotland’s Cause.
She may have been a “highly successful politician” by the sole measure of her party’s electoral performance whilst she was leader and, as you point out, a failure in terms of others, notably policy delivery. However, by the most important standard i.e. advancing Scotland towards the restoration of her full self-government and return of her independent statehood as per article 2a of the SNP’s constitution, Nicola Sturgeon was a miserable failure.
Nicola Sturgeon’s true legacy is a hollowed out husk of a political party comprised of representatives and prospective candidates with no core political beliefs and a hopelessly riven popular movement ripped asunder by her aversion to act on the national question and her divisive policy agenda.
Joe Middleton provides a very useful, factual , summary of the period.
Two further important facts not included by Joe or Mike:
During that period support for Independence has consistently risen from 25% to 45% to 50%.
The task to persuade those not yet convinced and reach a tipping point of 2 out of 3 Scots declaring support for becoming an Independent nation does not fall to one leader.
It requires a united movement engaging with our fellow citizens .
We can use the SNP as the vehicle to start doing that effectively ….or take 90 years to build up some other campaigning structure that has presence to reach out to every community….
These are not facts:
1. “During that period support for Independence has consistently risen from 25% to 45% to 50%.”
Here is an average of all opinion polls on the ‘Scottish Question’ since 2012:
2012 37.83%
2013 39.73%
2014: Pre-Ref – Salmond 44.60%
2014: Post-Ref – Salmond 50.08%
2014: Post-Ref – Sturgeon 50.67%
2015 48.91%
2016 47.68%
2017 45.25%
2018 45.66%
2019 47.55%
2020 53.05%
2021 49.69%
2022 49.46%
2023: – Sturgeon 47.29%
2023: – Yousaf 48.53%
2024: – Yousaf 48.99%
2024: – Swinney 48.18%
2025 51.23%
(You can get the averages from wikipedia summary or individual polling firms).
2. “The task to persuade those not yet convinced and reach a tipping point of 2 out of 3 Scots declaring support for becoming an Independent nation does not fall to one leader.”
That is not a fact, that is an opinion. And, in any case, why put additional hurdles in the way?
The problem here is that opinion polls fail to capture the intensity of individuals’ commitment. The opinion poll averages for 2024 have over 48% supporting independence. In the July 2024 general election, under 35% of voters chose pro-independence candidates. Where I live a 12k SNP majority became a 7k Labour majority. During that campaign I never saw an SNP campaigner.
This is a good point. People might say they support independence in an opinion poll but will they support it in a referendum when they will be subjected to a lot of negative opinion in media? How often has support been above 50% when Don’t Knows are excluded? – Don’t knows will be even more liable to stick with status quo when push comes to shove.
Support for independence needs to be well above 50% before anyone can be confident of victory in any referendum.
Yes and No. Independence still has to answer difficult questions better but the ‘status quo’ – the ‘idea of Britain’ – that was put forward in 2014 is gone …
That is a recipe for doing nothing. The approach of the Scottish Government.
What should the percentage be? 60%, 70%, 95%? For how long? Does there have to be a continuous number in a row at or above x%? And which polling firms? An average of them all? Or a selected few? If a few, which ones?
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Fear of change is a real factor (hence unconvinced Don’t Knows)especially on older people eg the last week switch way from Yes in 2014 after pension scare story.
Don’t knows may also indicate people to whom independence is not a high priority at present.
The best way to overcome this fear of change is for people to have full confidence in institutions of Scotland and see the benefits that self government bring to the majority of people in Scotland.
Duncanio – by stating that we have to build mass support for independence is not ‘a recipe for doing nothing’ .
The way to build support for independence has been shown to us by how support from devolution was built from 1979 to 1997.
This requires:
a)A united, inclusive independence movement reaching out to as many people as possible – ie building mass support.
b)An independence supporting government at Holyrood governing in a manner which benefits the majority of Scottish electorate. This clearly demonstrates the benefits of independence better than anything else and was not available post 1979.
c)Some forum similar to Constitutional Convention where plans and strategies for independence can not only be drawn up independence movement but can be tested against Scottish public opinion. This could similar to a Citizen’s Assembly and if successful a precursor to setting these up post independence.
d)The main role for independence supporting MP’s is to stand up for constituents and Scottish electorate at Westminster, to highlight where Westminster policies sell Scotland short and how being independent would benefit Scotland. With mass public support comes option of disrupting Westminster as demonstrated by Charles Parnell.
e)The independence movement has to have a higher media profile – a separate news channel or higher profile within current news channels.
f)Stop obsessing over process of claiming independence – this both seems like naval gazing to people who have other more immediate priorities (ie unconvinced voters) and only highlights the fact that independence is not easy to achieve.
In short:
1)Make the case for independence
2)Build up mass support and enthusiasm for independence
3)Then implement the strategies to force Westminster to agree to a Independence
4)If Westminster is intransigent then appeal to international community
5)If Westminster still intransigent – go it alone with international community support
Steps 3 and especially 4 & 5 cannot be realistically undertaken without demonstrable overwhelming public support for independence.
This whole process will require a political party to both lead at Holyrood and Westminster and be an integral part of independence movement.
Despite their recent travails and electoral disappointments I can see no realistic alternative to SNP undertaking this role but they must in turn work with rather than dictate to independence movement.
It took 18 years to go from 1979 (37% of total electorate voted Yes to Devolution – same as independence referendum) to actually achieve Devolution remember.
“The problem here is that opinion polls fail to capture the intensity of individuals’ commitment.”
The surveys do factor in likelihood to vote – the averages I have calculated as based on those likely to vote and ignoring undecided & refusals.
“The opinion poll averages for 2024 have over 48% supporting independence. In the July 2024 general election, under 35% of voters chose pro-independence candidates.”
The reason why 517,000 voters abandoned the SNP between the British General Elections of 2019 and 2024 is more than likely that they didn’t perceive these candidates as being “pro-Independence” in name only. This reason would more than likely account for the difference between pro-Independence sentiment measured in surveys (48%, 2024) and that recorded by the SNP in last year’s election (30%, 2024).
Where I live a 12k SNP majority became a 7k Labour majority. During that campaign I never saw an SNP campaigner.
This is a far more comprehensive and fairer review of Nicola Sturgeon and her time as First Minister than I have read elsewhere including the rather sneering one in the Times (recommended by Gerry Hassan!).
NS was naive in not realising that the positions and level of power that she and Peter Murrell held within SNP were incompatible with open governance within party.. If this had been addressed at the time she became leader then the later financial probity problems experienced may have been avoided. She was right in understanding that the independence movement requires to increase support to >60% to either force Westminster to hold another referendum or to hold one without Westminster consent but IMO she didn’t do enough to build that popular support. Culture wars issues are by their very nature very divisive and counterproductive to building that popular support and she should have avoided wherever possible.
All commentators, supporters or not, are united in accepting that NS was subject to an appalling level of hatred and abuse due to being female, from a working class background, her nationality and having the temerity to challenge the UK state (only Dianne Abbott has received anything like the hatred and abuse that NS has received). It says much for her strength of character that she stood up to this appalling behaviour over a period of 10 years with such stoicism.
I doubt NS can consider returning to politics until Peter Murrell’s trial is completed and even then I doubt there is a meaningful role at Holyrood for her in future. The one thing the article did not highlight was how well respected NS was on continent and I think she could have an important role to play in building support within EU and further abroad for an independent Scotland. This could be a vital role because when Scotland becomes independent it will require support from friendly nations to overcome potential hostility from Westminster which I fear is almost inevitable regardless if independence is achieved with or without their agreement.
I thought this was an interesting and well-rounded assessment of Nicola Sturgeon’s strengths and limitations, and also more widely of the contradictions within the SNP. Those who decry her time at the helm of the SNP as one of wasted opportunities have yet to explain precisely what it is she should have done – and no, ‘declaring UDI’ is not it. The task was then, and remains today, to increase support for independence well over the 50% mark, to the kind of level which enabled devolution to be ushered in.
You don’t ‘declare ‘UDI’. You unilaterally declare Independence. Declaring Independence is in fact a unilateral act by definition.
In terms of what to do differently – you could get all the supposedly pro-Independence parties and candidates to adopt the #ManifestoForIndependence.
No begging Westminster, no converting the mythical ‘soft Nos’, no ‘supermajorities’, no opinion polls being consistently at an undefined level (x%) or above for an undetermined and undefined period of time, no other magical plans.
Just a simple but supremely democratic 6 step path and logical process that finishes with the end of the Union.
interested you can find it here: https://newscotlandparty.scot/manifesto-for-independence/
Anyone who believes that UDI is a simple solution clearly hasn’t paid attention to history. Neither are they serious about winning and keeping independence. History shows that UDI isolated Rhodesia and allowed sanctions to be applied. I’m sure they were the last country to tell Westminster to go stuff itself. Imagine where you’d be with soft Yes when they can’t get fuel, or just about everything else we import. Extreme unionism would be cock a hoop and up for the Ulsterisation of Scotland.
No serious independence supporter would be happy with UDI. Only those that are unconcerned about the consequences would be thinking about such a move
You have clearly not read the link or understood what I said:
“Anyone who believes that UDI is a simple solution clearly hasn’t paid attention to history. Neither are they serious about winning and keeping independence. History shows that UDI isolated Rhodesia and allowed sanctions to be applied.”
Scotland is not Rhodesia. There will be no white supremacy in an independent Scotland. There would be no supremacy of any kind. There is no suggestion of imposing Independence on Scotland without the explicit backing of the people. The international community – rest of UK aside – would not be outraged. All the other apocalyptic stuff is simply hyperbole.
All of which you would have known if you had read and understood the simple 6 stage process.
Your mind has would appear to have been totally brainwashed by Westminster propaganda – every declaration of Independence is unilateral. Any serious Independence supporter would understand that. It has to be … do you still imagine that negotiating with Westminster they’re just going to say once “ok, it’s a fair cop we give in”? Of course not.
Power is taken not given … but only with the support of and ratification by the people.
Rather than giving us your preconceived notions why not check the link and call out the flaws (as you see them) in the process?
Not only have I read the link and understood it, I understand that you need to persuade more than 50% of voters to vote for it and the party. While Scotland clearly isn’t Rhodesia, it will still need the support of other nations if it wants to trade and allow its citizens to travel. That is, by no means certain. Indeed, this is one of the occasions where we should take not of countries who are anxious about their separatist movements. However, I’m getting ahead of yourself here. How successful have you been in putting this idea to the wider population? I take it you have answers to the concerns that folk have about the risks they balked at last time? You have strong public figures that the general movement will get behind? Yes groups?
I’m not a fan of much of what the SNP have done in recent times. I believe that they are, at this moment, the only realistic channel to gain independence. I believe that will be gained at the ballot box and will be gained because people support a party able to deliver it. If an assertive way is to be found, it’s because the mood of Scotland is firmly in agreement. At a soft 50% that can’t be argued reasonably. It will only be achieved when unionism recognises that it is a minority sport. You can have your end game if that situation is ever achieved but not before.
Richard Anderson:
You seem to accept that we are dealing with Scottish UDI not the hideous Rhodesian variant.
Having read the #ManifestoForIndependence you will note that this is an indisputably impeccable democratic process. So why would other countries a trade and travel embargo or some such imposed on Scottish businesses and people? Because they have “separatist movements”? If that were the case no countries would ever become independent of a domineering ‘mother country’. Around 80 countries have become independent since 1945 and they have not been sanctioned by the ‘international community’. Why would Scotland be subjected to such treatment? Why would Scotland be a special case?
Clearly the #ManifestoForIndependence has not been adopted by parties and candidates. That’s a problem. The parties/candidates themselves have produced no plan. Or not a credible one. They haven’t even tried. At the moment they seem solely concerned with using ‘Independence’ as a means of garnering votes at election time. That’s a bigger problem.
I suspect the reason for avoiding any serious effort to realise Scotland’s Cause is that it will involve confrontation with Westminster. No, not physical, but asserting the rights of the Parliament as per step 3 of the #ManifestoForIndependence and progressing to carrying out a proper referendum without British interference, influence or involvement.
When Scotland becomes independent it will require international recognition. The first few years post independence are in all reality not going to be smooth economically and strategically and the newly independent Scotland may require some international goodwill especially if Westminster is hostile to Holyrood.
To gain international recognition this will require a clear mandate via a referendum preferably with Westminster agreement but in all probability without it. In these circumstances recognition will be difficult to achieve unless there is a referendum that has a high level of support for independence.
I have said above that Nicola Sturgeon was well respected in EU and she could have a role to play in building international support for recognition of an independent Scotland.
There is no realistic route to independence that does not involve building support for independence well above the current level and how to achieve this is what the SNP and the wider independence movement should be concentrating on.
Interesting discussion on independence & the plausibility of Scotland declaring UDI.
First, Duncanio says “Declaring Independence is in fact a unilateral act by definition.”
This is 100% wrong in most cases. Declaring independence in nearly all modern cases involves negotiation and agreement between two parties: the seceding territory and the state it is seceding from,. The two parties negotiate and agree on the process and form of their split, dividing assets and debts.
Second, citing examples of independence post-1945 is germane. There were 50 plus states in 1945; there are 194 now. In the process of independence of the 140 plus newly independent states very very few undertook this path by UDI. Any that did are the exceptions to the rule.
Third, the examples of UDI down through the ages are exceptions or in times of war and revolution. Hence, what became the USA declared UDI from Britain in 1776; there is the example of Rhodesia in 1965; and of a host of rebellions: Ireland in 1919 (with Irish independence occurring due to UK-Irish negotiations); Biafra and Nigeria in 1967; the Turkish part of Cyprus in 1983; and Palestinian territories in 1988 (none of which have resulted in independence).
Scottish independence does not need to go down such cul-de-sacs and fantasies. It needs to work out a set of propositions which engage with the realities most, if not nearly all Scots face in day-to-day life: the economic prospectus of independence, the risks inherent in any such major change, and the geo-political dimensions in an unstable world. Not addressing these and dreaming of UDI actually gets in the way of any real progress on independence – which also needs to think abt timescales – and not thinking abt an instant independence in the immediate or next year.
Gerry Hassan.
As mentioned before you don’t declare UDI. (Whoever declared a unilateral declaration of independence?) You declare Independence. You negotiate the terms of the split. Independence comes first. The Scottish people are sovereign in Scotland. That is, the people are the boss. See Claim of Right (1689 and 1989). If the people vote for Independence then that’s the decision. Anything else compromises that sovereignty as it gives a foreign power a veto of Scottish decision-making on our decision-making.
Read the ManifestoForIndependence, link given previously.
As for “the economic prospectus of independence” and “the risks inherent in any such major change” you seem to think doing the same thing as before only harder will work next time. Every time you ‘make the economic case’ more questions are raised. Each answer spawns three new questions! That’s was the trick of Unionists last time. Don’t fight them on their ground. Scotland will manage economically … every oother coutry does so why wouldn’t we?
In any case you don’t liberate people by discussing the pound in their pocket. Hardly inspiring. In any event how many people understand economics in this country? It’s not even a mandatory subject in the school curriculum.
This is 2025 not 2014. Isn’t it is time to update the approach?
You need to put the Union on the defensive. Point out that Independence is normal and Union is anomalous. Remind people of the broken promises and their lying outcomes … it’s not as if there’s not plenty of example in the last 10 years.
Regarding the “geo-political dimensions in an unstable world” – good luck with explaining that to people and how that fits in with their “day to day issues”.
New thinking is needed not the failed approach of before.
John:
“When Scotland becomes independent it will require international recognition.”
Agree
“To gain international recognition this will require a clear mandate via a referendum …”
Agree
” … preferably with Westminster agreement”
Disagree – if you believe in the sovereignty of the Scottish people you don’t require the sanction of a foreign government.
” … but in all probability without it. In these circumstances recognition will be difficult to achieve unless there is a referendum that has a high level of support for independence”.
Disagree – the highest possible support is obviously ideal but a simple majority of votes in a properly constituted and supremely democratic explicit plebiscite is sufficient.
“There is no realistic route to independence that does not involve building support for independence well above the current level and how to achieve this is what the SNP and the wider independence movement should be concentrating on.”
And what would that level of support be? And who would decide that?
I would ask again. What is your process for getting to your ‘legitimate’ position? How will you know when to pull the trigger? Will you declare independence at 50.1%? How will you manage the division in the country? After all Brexit is a dream isn’t it?
IMO, you see your viewpoint as replacing that of the SNP, you’ll manage that how? I think your viewpoint isn’t appealing to my Tory neighbours who were persuaded by Sturgeon throughout Covid and who were more open to considering the issues. While I agree more information needs to be presented about uk economic failure particularly on the idea of ‘UK Certainty’ promoted in 2014 you will need to think about how you will persuade folk that iScotland will be better. If folk are uncertain you have uncertainty in any result. You may well, in the end, get to a final position that sees independence declared but you’d need to be really strong in the belief that the overwhelming majority would back that action.
I don’t believe there are shortcuts but I believe there’s a need to reactivate a ‘broad church’ approach. I don’t believe we are near that with the ‘people’s front of Judea’ arguing with the ‘Judean people’s front’ and the ‘popular front for judean independence’ to paraphrase. It’s clear that a central strategy of Westminster is to frustrate. They’ve done that really well with lots of angry people outside a tent pissing in. A divided movement won’t make progress until we come back together and thrash out our differences. Declaring independence is an end position from that when it’s obvious that a majority support exists. 50.1% is just a margin of error
Duncanio – I refer you to my answer above about building mass support.
A referendum is the best method to clearly demonstrate majority of people support independence because:
1)It is the established method as the 2014 referendum had 85% turnout showing it had mass acceptance as a valid method. International observers described it as gold standard in a demonstration of democracy.
2)All polling shows that electorate in Scotland see a referendum as best and fairest method of deciding whether Scotland should be independent.
3)A referendum cannot be diluted with other issues and it forces people to actually choose as 2014 demonstrated with the high level of participation.
4)Any other electoral method means that other issues become important factors in how electorate votes.
5)Most importantly an independence only UDI party at a Westminster or Holyrood election would have less chance of success thana Yes/No referendum due to factors I have identified in 2,3 & 4.
John:
“A referendum is the best method to clearly demonstrate majority of people support independence because:”
You are clearly not reading the referenced #ManifestoForIndependence as a referendum is stated as being essential as it shows an explicit endorsement of the people. Here is the link again: https://newscotlandparty.scot/manifesto-for-independence/
The referendum is step number 6. You should be able to find it – it’s the last one.
Once you win the referendum you declare Independence. Unilaterally. Being as there is no other way. You can negotiate a settlement of assets and liabilities but not Independence itself. The people will have decided that matter in the aforementioned referendum.
You carry on “building mass support” but I will ask you once again:
What would that level of support be? Who would decide the threshold that is appropriate? And when you have completed your independence construction project would you be asking for planning permission … from Westminster?
All you are doing the SNP (and other parties) leadership the excuse to do nothing for another 5 years.
And I ask you yet again:
You carry
Duncanio – I wouldn’t get hung up on polling figures it is the process of building mass support that we should concentrate on.
If you push me for a baseline level of support it would be a sustained level of support for independence above 50% (not including Don’t Knows) and >10% lead over No vote. This figure would indicate a clear majority support for independence but emphasise that the higher the level of support the easier the process of becoming independent will be and the more cohesive an independent Scottish nation would be.
John,
” I wouldn’t get hung up on polling figures it is the process of building mass support that we should concentrate on.
If you push me for a baseline level of support it would be a sustained level of support for independence above 50% (not including Don’t Knows) and >10% lead over No vote. This figure would indicate a clear majority support for independence but emphasise that the higher the level of support the easier the process of becoming independent will be and the more cohesive an independent Scottish nation would be.”
Why would it be “50% (not including Don’t Knows) and >10% lead over No vote.”? And what would constitute “a sustained level”? And who would decide?
What you have described is not a process. It is wishful-thing and a belief in magic.
It is not credible.
That’s simply not the case, Paddy. Many commentators and activists have expressed clear, and sometimes trenchant, views on what Nicola Sturgeon could – and should – have done, but didn’t. The critiques have not been short on detail, but her loyal fanbase seems intent on ignoring them.
I’d be happy to be shown to be wrong. Where can I find these detailed critiques, on strategy to achieve independence? Those I’ve read – and I agree there are many – always seemed to me to be couched in very general, nonspecific terms.
Gerry makes some good points. The British state has legally blocked a second referendum (and given unionist councils the perfect excuse to refuse to co-operate with one) so we need to do something else. Independence support the last I looked was polling at 54% which suggests the leadership of John Swinney is having a positive effect. His budget worked well whilst Labour are clearly committing Hari-Kari. UDI is undoubtedly a tactic of last resort and not an obvious option of choice but it has to be considered given the intransigence of the British state towards our democracy. If 54% current independence supporters did a 2015 and backed SNP en masse on a manifesto similar to last year’s UK election then that would be a clear vote for independence however the UK may well not agree which is why further tactics would possibly be required in that scenario. Removing all MPs in one go to indicate we no longer consent to British rule would be useful if we had just elected a very large number, not a tiny amount. We could also pass a declaration of independence through the Scottish parliament and ask for international recognition of our vote while at the same time organising mass events declaring that we no longer agree with British rule and are supported in this by the public. If all this fails then we collapse the parliament and declare a full UDI and take our chances. I think long before that stage and if it is clear that Scotland has voted for independence there will be massive pressure on the UK state to accept this new state of affairs and negotiations will begin in earnest. To plan a UDI as our first action would be to put the cart before the horse and would actively discourage people from voting for independence. Probably the constant posts demanding Yessers try to game the PR system to exclude unionists (something which can’t actually happen) aren’t helpful either. The reality of right now is we are strongly divided for multiple reasons and unless we all hold our noses and vote SNP (as the most credible advocates of independence) all together we are going to go nowhere and independence simply won’t happen. I think the SNP gradualist approach is the most logical one post devolution and the most likely to create the conditions for success but John Swinney only has the power we give him and if we don’t back his party in high numbers or abstain we can’t expect great results. Let’s also remember as a country we have a right to vote for independence and while the UK can limit the powers of devolution they simply cannot legislate away our right to vote for that independence as and when we choose to do so but we will need to show somehow that a majority does in fact support it.
Joe Middleton:
” Independence support the last I looked was polling at 54% which suggests the leadership of John Swinney is having a positive effect.”
I suggest you look again – I have quoted the average of the actual polls published over the last 10.5 years. There have been oscillations but the underlying level is the same as in Q4 2014 i.e. 50%.
As for the ‘positive effect’ of John Swinney – pull the other one. He has had no impact on Independence. The SNP support may have been shored up but that is only because the party is deemed less incompetent and inept than lying Labour. If you are keen on opinion surveys the last couple have shown that Jown Swinney’s personal rating is negative … just less negative than Sarwar, Starmer, Findlay and what’s-his-name.
The people are saying “a plague on all your houses!” … very loudly.
” I think the SNP gradualist approach is the most logical one post devolution and the most likely to create the conditions for success but John Swinney only has the power we give him and if we don’t back his party in high numbers or abstain we can’t expect great results.”
The power we give Swinney … to do what? He and the SNP don’t have a plan. As things stand they simply use Independence to generate election wins. They have not exhibited any clue as to how to go about advancing Scotland’s Cause.
We need to force the SNP to adopt a credible plan pre-election. If you vote for the no commitment and no plan SNP then you are endorsing their stance and cannot expect anything other than more of the same do nothing approach.
That should be obvious.
“Support for independence was found to have risen to 54% when undecided voters are excluded earlier this month in a poll commissioned by The Times following the Scottish Budget.” The National 23-12-2024.
Attacking the SNP ‘for independence’ is a foolish approach and doomed to fail. The fact is that the SNP is the only credible political party which is primarily focused on independence.
“Support for independence was found to have risen to 54% when undecided voters are excluded earlier this month in a poll commissioned by The Times following the Scottish Budget.” The National 23-12-2024.
You quote a single opinion poll without context, that from Norstat (for The Sunday Times) with fieldwork carried out on 4-6 December 2024. The average of all polls for 2024 is 48%. The average for all (9) polls from Norstat for 2024 is 50%. The last 6 have been 49%, 50%, 48%, 50%, 54% and 50% from that survey firm.
So basically flat with some random oscillation at around half the population in favour. That is, the same underlying level as in Q4 2014 (see prior comments above).
“Attacking the SNP ‘for independence’ is a foolish approach and doomed to fail. The fact is that the SNP is the only credible political party which is primarily focused on independence.”
The SNP and the other supposedly pro-Independence parties do not have a credible plan so it is immaterial even if YES sentiment was at 90%.
No process=no point.
And the SNP are most certainly not “primarily focused on independence’. The #ManifestoForIndependence would provide that focus if they adopted it.
Why not deal with the actual fact that they have published no process to realise Scotland’s Cause rather than the usual whining about people “attacking the SNP”.