My Enemy’s Enemy is My Friend
Reform’s (seeming) inexorable rise isn’t inevitable, and we should do well to remember the advice of those such as Timothy Snyder whose first chapter in ‘On Tyranny’ was “Do not obey in advance”. Reform’s (seeming) inexorable rise isn’t, and never was, inevitable; it has required vast amounts of dark money and friends in high places.
The media love-in has up until now been largely centred around the oligarch-owned press in England and some extraordinary exposure through the public broadcaster over the years. But now that largesse has slipped over the border. Here Kevin McKenna writes a puff-piece for the Herald ahead of next weeks by-election, tramping the streets of Larkhall with Ross Lambie the Reform candidate and Thomas Kerr, the former head of the Conservative group on Glasgow City Council.
What follows is softball questions and chumminess with his new-found gang: “As the afternoon progresses and a few more people stop to chat, I realise I am witnessing in real-time the worst nightmare of the Scottish Tories and the Scottish mainstream Left.” For McKenna, the Labour party are the ‘Scottish mainstream left’.
McKenna shares the candidate’s loathing of Net Zero and “middle class elites” as they walk the streets and soak in the atmosphere. He writes: “Labour, in turn, were comfortable in the knowledge that many in places like these could never vote for the Tories. But what if another party would came along with candidates raised in this community who weren’t posh? A party like Reform would be the ethical alternative to voting Tory. Working-class people needn’t apologise for choosing them.”
The ‘Reform-Adjacent Right’
Last week I’d asked the question ‘who would be the first mainstream journalist to support Reform’, and here we have a winner: “Today, in these streets, there’s a growing sense of voting Reform to stop the SNP.” McKenna is one of a small group of influential columnists who are going down this path, convinced that Reform is the authentic voice of the working class, that the War on Woke is the political challenge of the day and that anybody who would destroy the detested SNP should be supported. Their logic is: My Enemy’s Enemy is My Friend. They are massively challenged with change to their established order and remain resolutely fixated on capitalist economics and terrified of any response to climate catastrophe. Iain Macwhirter this week called stories about appalling working conditions and abysmally low pay in Leicester’s clothes factories leading them to relocate “anti-capitalist blowback”, and has taken to quoting GK Chesterton.
All of this comes with some earth-shuddering nonsense. Alex Massie, writing in The Times notes that: “You did not need to be a paid-up Faragiste to spot that in the summer of 2020 public gatherings were frowned upon unless, that is, such assemblies were supporting fashionable causes such as Black Lives Matter.”
Massie goes on to write that: “Hence the growing sense on the Reform-adjacent right that white Britons are themselves victims of oppression.”
The “Reform-adjacent right” – well at least he has a name for it.
This sense of victimhood is an essential trope of far-right populism, it runs through the mythology of White Genocide, it’s there in the Great Replacement Theory, and it manifests itself with the idea that white South Africans are being persecuted. It’s there in the idea that there is Two-Tier Policing, or the notion that our education system, culture, and schools are being ‘over-run’. It’s the politics of paranoia and hate, hugely powerful but completely toxic.
It conjures a mythical past and focuses on an existential threat (foreigners, the Greens, urban design, cyclists). At one point McKenna writes: “I also sense a dawning realisation amongst some of these voters that Scotland’s governing party has been hijacked by a cohort who loathe the people who live in places like Larkhall and North Ayrshire and some of Glasgow’s edgier neighbourhoods where family, faith and tradition have always maintained social cohesion and community.”
Faith, Family and Tradition
This notion of ‘tradition’ seems to have melted some people’s minds, conjuring a reactionary streak of politics that has blurred their critical faculties. There is much groupthink going on and lazy (and hazy) consensus-forming. The assumptions are something as follows: everyone knows immigration is a terrible thing; Reform aren’t really right wing (there’s no such thing as Left-Right anymore); Woke ideology is rampant and destroying society; the Scottish Green Party are some wild radical force; racism doesn’t really exist … and on an on. This hysteria has been building for a while. Back in 2021 Chris Deerin wrote that (Rage, the Overton Window and the Faultlines of the Future): “The Greens, are by far the most left-wing party ever to have held power in the UK”. Much of this is put out there with a sort of blithe ‘common sense’ chumminess, covering some pretty dark realities.
A useful corrective comes from Darren McGarvey’s book The Social Distance Between Us (2022). In his chapter on attitudes to, and drivers of immigration, McGarvey writes:
“Despite the perception among some that Britain is inherently anti-immigration, immigration concern among white British people has declined overall since 1964, when attitude surveys on the issue were first introduced. Throughout the 1960s and 1970s, as many as 80 per cent of people responded ‘Yes’ when asked if they believed too many people were being ‘let in’ to Britain. From this peak in immigration concern, attitudes softened somewhat until the turn of the millennium, when Freedom of Movement led to increased numbers arriving from newly admitted EU countries. In the year or so before the EU referendum, between June 2015 and June 2016, immigration was consistently regarded as the most urgent issue facing Britain, peaking at 56 per cent in September 2015. Political parties rose and fell in the polls based almost entirely on either their immigration policies or the perceived strength or weakness of their statements on the issue. But since the EU Referendum in June 2016, the Migration Observatory analysis of immigration attitudes notes that ‘immigration has been mentioned by far fewer people, falling from 48 per cent in June 2016 to 13 per cent in November 2019’, when concern about immigration was supplanted by concerns around Brexit which in November 2019, 62 per cent mentioned as a primary concern. Given immigration numbers had not shifted tremendously by 2019, the argument that immigration concerns correlate with migrant numbers makes little sense. Indeed, fears and anxieties around immigration appear to correlate more closely with the level of polarisation in discourse, and the substance and tone of news and media coverage, both of which are always preceded by growing levels of inequality.”
He is essentially right, that the immigration topic is so ripe for exploitation because people have a lived-experience of failed public services and the accusation of a failed political class lands on fertile ground. It does not matter that Farage and his wealthy backers are absolutely part of that failed system.
Constitutional Collission Course
And yet, despite the support across the media, and despite the undeniable failures of the incumbent government in Scotland, Reform have limitations. They are on a collision course for next year at Holyrood and a backlash that we have long predicted: Scottish independence moves into an EIGHT PERCENT lead: 54 : 46 with Norstat. This doubled to become a SIXTEEN PERCENT lead: 58 : 42 if Nigel Farage becomes UK PM.
This doesn’t go away despite the campaign to support them from Scotland’s media class, gatekeepers and opinion-formers. Members of Reform have been on record saying they would abolish Holyrood and deny another referendum, but this becomes untenable with these figures and a constitutional crisis will ensue. New Norstat poll for @timesscotland pre-Hamilton by-election shows Reform’s Scottish surge continues, but it also shows that the rise is due to the collapse in belief in the Conservatives and Labour with their twin calamitous leaderships of Badenoch and Starmer. This has not been helped by Labour’s disastrous candidate and campaign.
As Daniel Sanderson, the Times Scottish Political Editor reports (Spectre of Nigel Farage at No 10 fuels support for independence): “The rise of Reform UK and disillusionment with Sir Keir Starmer’s government has pushed support for Scottish independence to a record high.”
“A Norstat survey for The Sunday Times put support for independence at 54 per cent, the joint-highest level recorded by the polling firm in the series. The Yes side has opened up an eight-point lead when undecided voters are excluded.”
“Meanwhile, fewer than one in five Scots plan to back Labour at next year’s Holyrood elections, in a devastating reversal of fortunes since it won a landslide at Westminster last July.”
“Enthusiasm for independence has surged” writes Sanderson and “a fracturing of the Unionist vote means the SNP remains on course to be comfortably returned as the largest party after next May’s elections with 54 of the devolved parliament’s 129 seats, according to projections by the polling expert Sir John Curtice.”
Mark Diffley, the pollster from Diffley Partnership, said: “The SNP and wider nationalist movement will be encouraged by the poll’s findings of 54 per cent support for independence. But what will concern the pro-union parties the most is the finding that the prospect of Nigel Farage as PM would push support for independence close to the symbolically important 60 per cent. The rise of Reform is not only hitting Labour and the Tories at the ballot box but represents an increasing threat to the union.”
All of the usual caveats and qualifiers apply: what is the point of a Yes majority of there isn’t a strategy for gaining independence; the so called Unionist-majority only applies if Labour go into alliance with Reform UK; and to what extent will Reform’s appeal fall apart under the scrutiny of a campaign? The wider question for Reform is what do they run on? Do they try and coalesce all of the anti-Holyrood rage and say “Vote for us to abolish devolution?” Do they try and garner all of the Unionist / British nationalist vote and say “Vote for us and we will make sure there is never granted a referendum?” Both are incredibly negative campaign messages, but they are an incredibly negative party.
None of this reflects well on the plurality of news media and commentary, but it does speak to the need to challenge the lazy consensus about Reform’s rise and appeal and scrutinise and expose them. The coming year will provide a crisis that beckons a project or persons from within the independence movement to provide leadership, and an alternative to being ruled by Prime Minister Nigel Farage.
This is all manipulative managed democracy. We are being steered as usual into a binary contest between two parties neither of whom can stand up for us against the billionaire totalitarians. All our real political parties have betrayed their members and supporters and now we are faced with this obviously fake pseudo-party that treats voters with contempt.
Nobody will challenge neoliberalism / neofascism and its paymasters.
And nobody will deliver Scotland’s independence.
But they will all promise whatever they think will win your vote. And then forget them as soon as they get into power.
Reform are the most cynical if the lot, but there is now no party I could vote for anymore. Such a parcel of rogues in a nation. The least worst is still worst. To vote either SNP or Reform merely to keep the other out is utterly stupid.
If we are serious about Scottish independence (and we need to be) we will start a new party, or movement that actually deliver it. All it needs are enough MSPs to hold others’ feet to the fire and challenge them.
I have said before that I will only vote fir a candidate or party that commits to upholding the Claim of Right, to putting public interest before private profit and to listening to and genuinely speaking up for constituents. Based on my experience over more than 5 years, I currently don’t believe any of them will do that.
I completely understand this attitude, but there is no shortage of fringe parties to vote for to try to move the dial in this direction- Alba or the Scottish Socialists for example.
The SNP may have more or less ceded the independence question for now, but a vote for anyone else on the constituency vote is simply interpreted as actively endorsing, rather than merely temporarily accepting the status quo. A vote for a small independence party on the list is equally seen as an attempt to game the system.
I do think the SNP have made a good strategic move in positioning themselves as the antidote to Reform. Labour have proved themselves inadequate to the task.
We are moving to a 6 party system at Holyrood, mainly at the expense of the woeful Tories.
We can expect a coarsening of the debate after 2026 and it feels like 2024 was a last hurrah for the Labour brand in Scotland and Wales.
Still every chance Labour could win the next Westminster election though- albeit with a low vote share
Refusing to vote for the party whose majority is an essential part of the independence case and process is just criminal petulance.especially when your plans for a replacement are just plain incoherent nonsense.
I am just finishing “Adventures in Democracy” by Erica Benner (“Really Existing Nationalism”, “Think Like The Fox”) and she qoutes both Plato and Machiavelli to the effect that, if inequality between citizens become too great, democracies capsize…
Britain is the most unequal country in Europe along with Portugal. So let it capsize, let the whole thing go t*ts up…
People voted for a Labour government and end up with another Tory govt, well no wonder they lose their reason…
Blame Blair and Brown and Mandelson, the New Labour sell out, and blame the SNP too for not doing nearly enough in practice to show people that an independent Scotland could do things very differently…
As for MacKenna, he is a bit of an idiot and has gotten so much worse…a total idiot by now…
There is also that essay by Isiah Berlin on Tolstoy, the great Russian writer, called “The Hedgehog and the Fox”, taken from Aesop’ Fables in which “the fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing…”
Berlin then divides famous writers into either hedgehogs or foxes, and argues that Tolstoy was actually a hedgehog but thought he was a fox…
Well, the SNP should be the hedgehog, with one big idea, and not the fox, with many small ideas, which is what they are
Swinney’s reaction to Reform is just like Sturgeon’s to Brexit…. “Let us be the Labour party in absence and save England from Reform / Brexit”…
Eh, no. We dont want that. We want you to get us out the Union of 1707 with England, pleeeease, as fast and painlessly as you possibly can…
Is this a relevant article? There is no UK, never has been, never will be.
Timothy Snyder. Quite a few other typos by the way. ‘Cabeats’?
Ah fixed. Sorry.
The way to tackle Reform is to press them on what exactly they stand for. And how they have priced their policies (if they have any). Nobody seems to know and Reform just gathers support from gripes rather than what they would do about gripes.
When I was on the doors recently in two back-to-back council by-elections in Edinburgh, where I stood for the SNP, Reform support was related to disgust with Labour, specifically the loss of the winter fuel payment and with government generally of any stripe and at any level. Reform support wasn’t coming from the poshest and wealthiest part of the ward nor the very poorest but the ‘squeezed middle’. Tradesmen, small businessmen, better off council tenants and the modest middle class. That’s the kind Reform attracts. Only one guy mentioned immigration, and another woman hinted at ‘new people’ taking social housing since Brexit and alleged ensuing disruption to community, several were annoyed by policies on cycling and Pride bridges, but one thing they all had in common was that they all felt blocked. Housing came up a lot. Across a wide income spectrum too. From rich to poor. Rather than jobs.
The poorest parts of the ward had just given up on voting. Our analysis showed participation in one street was 6% (the ward as a whole averaged over 30%).
Reform support included one disgruntled SNP voter who was tempted by Reform (even tho she still supported independence) because she felt the route to independence was blocked and there had to be change somehow. There was a desire to blow everything up – not the smartest move, but an emotional reaction to feeling blocked.
Perceived failure in government and dissatisfaction with government are related to lack of money, austerity policies and rising inequality. That starts at the top, at Westminster, but it’s hard to communicate that in a local context.
But it’s too easy to just dismiss Reform. They attract support from across a wide spectrum of society which has valid concerns and that includes some politicians who have jumped ship. Some seem genuinely to want change for the better so we have to push them to say: OK, what’s your better? And how would you fund it? Because the basic problem is that the UK is skint.
Agreed Mairianna on the challenging them (and uncovering who funds them). I’m not dismissing them, I’m saying there rise has unforeseen consequences for the Union. I’m not sure how skint Britain is. Britain has severe disfiguring inequality, but that’s not the same thing?
There is no union and it shouldn’t really matter to Scotland how skint England is. They really shouldn’t be that skint because Scotland has been subsidising England up to the hilt for years.
A 6% turnout in even just one street is a disgrace and should send alarm bells ringing everywhere…
And I don’t think the main problem is that Britain is skint… We were more skint in 1945…
What we have is something like multiple constitutional crises, ie, the Scottish independence question, the fall-out from Brexit, a monarchy on its way out, and then, latterly, something which is genuinely new, something I have never seen before, which is a political party winning office on a platform of change and then simply following the same policies as the government they ousted, in fact, implementing even more draconian policies still in terms of slashing international aid and the winter fuel allowance…
Starmer is thick as two short planks. Why does he think people voted for him? They voted for him to implement different policies, not the same policies as Rishi Sunak…
The problem with Britain is that is has become a stupid country, people Starmer and Blair are stupid…
@Douglas, if a nation had a codified constitution, it might say something about requirements for governmental legitimacy, but the British are an Empire with only a quasi-Constitution whose hereditary ruler is anointed by God’s representatives who they are also boss of. So look elsewhere.
The notion of an electoral threshold (applied in constitutional change, additional seats for parties under various forms of proportional voting systems, and in referendums) seems not be a typical requirement for general elections (sorry, I cannot remember studying this aspect from my political science days).
However, how low does an electoral turnout need to be before a vote in a general election should be considered null and void (and thus trigger some constitutional rupture)? One might say that an overall turnout of less than 50% (say) was a damning rejection of the current political settlement and should automatically be accepted as a vote of no confidence in ‘all-of-the-above’ and entail the process of refactoring the polity’s constitution.
Although it is not so simple as bare numbers suggest. Cohorts and regions are two examples where sub-total minimum thresholds of participation might apply. For example, if participation dropped below 25% in the youngest (or oldest) age cohort, or below 33% in some region or other, this should set alarm bells ringing and perhaps be another trigger. Gerontocracies can trip along quite successfully as long as older cohorts vote in significantly greater numbers than younger ones, for example.
Here are some official UK figures:
Turnout at elections (2023-01-10)
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8060/CBP-8060.pdf
Now, if there was a constitutional requirement for a 50% (say) minimum turnout at general elections, with various sub-total minimums to prevent crude electoral minority domination, and of course voting was optional (or perhaps ‘Rejection’ was an official ballot choice) this would give voters a target to aim at. I’m not suggesting that politicians would be eager to impose such a system (or honour it), but hey, they might be given worse alternatives.
Not that I’m endorsing electoral systems. I’m just offended by their ludicrous aspects.
Have a read at what Hannah Middlebrook from Oklahoma says about Reform. About how they’d ideally want to get rid of the NHS etc, and read her analogy with what would have happened post the Manchester bombings if there was no NHS, and people who had just lost children murdered by nutters would be getting bills and demands for all the emergency and medical care their children got before they died. Much like the US system that Farage’s best pal Trump oversees.
If some of these Reform voters really trust Farage and Tice more than say Swinney and Davey then they need their head looked. Dearie me, I know people want to place a ‘protest vote’. Totally understandable, but Reform? Farage? Tice? C’mon get a grip.
Try the Greens, or the Lib Dem’s, or an independent, or the Monster Raving Loonies, or don’t vote.
But Reform?! Are folk really that stupit? Are they that gullible ? Or are they really very right wing? In which case God help us all.
Too much politics all round if you ask me, and not enough passion for independence. Which by the way is the ONLY way to prosper, and avoid all this poisonous stuff from the right. Hold your nose if necessary and vote SNP (or Green) if you want a better future for your children and grandchildren.
George- Reform UK appear to be financed by hedge funds etc. The printed media (almost exclusively owned by media barons and right wing) are promoting Farage and Reform because they reckon that, like Trump in USA, he will look after the richest in society and entrench their wealth and power. The televised media are more interested in the excitement and froth of politics and are also promoting Reform UK in a way that reminds me of meteoric rise of SDP in 1981 – the last time when Labour & Tories were both simultaneously unpopular in UK.
The attraction in Scotland seems to be primarily as a way of putting two fingers up to all the established political parties. Farage does not chime with Scottish voters as he does in England but Reform is benefiting from voter disillusionment.
Reform appear to be gaining voters from mainly former Tory voters and hardline Unionist Labour voters although they may be gaining some frustrated independence supporters from SNP.
If Reform do prosper in Scotland It will be illuminating to see how many voters in Scotland that are opposed to independence are willing to support Reform Uk. It will show how many are willing to turn their back on their political principles purely to defeat an independence supporting candidate.
‘For McKenna, the Labour party are the “Scottish mainstream left'”‘.
I can understand why people might question Kevin McKenna’s analysis.
However, if the Labour Party does not represent the mainstream left, who does; e g at next Thursday’s Holyrood by election ?
And, in present circumstances, what would constitute a good result for the ‘mainstream left’ next Thursday ?
To understand the Labour Party as ‘of the left’ with the current government is incredible.
“This feels terminal. The breaches of trust have been so frequent, so vast and so decisive that the voters Labour has already lost are unlikely to return. In one forum after another, I hear the same sentiments: “I voted for change, not the same or worse.” “I’ve voted Labour all my life, but that’s it for me.” “I feel I’ve been had.”
It’s not dissatisfaction. It’s not disillusionment. It’s revulsion: visceral fury, anger on a level I’ve seldom seen before, even towards Tory cruelties. Why? Because these are Tory cruelties, delivered by a party that claimed to be the only alternative, in our first-past-the-post electoral system.
Everyone can name at least some of the betrayals: cutting disability benefits; supplying weapons and, allegedly, intelligence to the Israeli government as it pursues genocide in Gaza; channelling Reform UK and Enoch Powell in maligning immigrants; slashing international aid; trashing wildlife and habitats while insulting and abusing people who want to protect them; announcing yet another draconian anti-protest law; leaving trans people in legal limbo; rigidly adhering to outdated and socially destructive fiscal rules; imposing further austerity on government departments and public services. Once the great hope of the oppressed, Labour has become the oppressor.” – George Monbiot
In the article quoted above, George Monbiot describes the UK as an’overwhelmingly progressive nation’.
If Reform beats Labour into second place in Thursday’s by election, will Mike Small accept that this is a defeat for progressive politics ?
Under some circumstances, opposition to immigration can be higher in some immigrant groups than in the general population (there are some notable examples among Conservatives). This is another reason to be wary of polls, which broadbrush so much.
A new Channel 4 documentary offers a rare chance to look at how compatible contemporary British culture was with German National Socialism:
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/britain-under-the-nazis-forgotten-occupation
although unfortunately it doesn’t seem to draw on German sources, in the first episode anyway. I could wish this had been paired with an even more forgotten occupation, that of the British invading Iceland, I think just before the evacuation at Dunkirk, which itself shortly preceded the German invasion of the Channel Islands featured in the documentary.
In a sense, much of British culture is based on adaptation to occupying powers (the shadow of the Norman Conquest is a very long one, for example), while denying the oppression we exerted abroad. While for the ruling elite, the enemy within has long been the general public. These parties are all rods for the public back.
Massie has always been a Tory and the views he now feels free to espouse have probably always been held but previously he felt he had to hide them.
McWhirter is a genuine riddle- it looks like he is just a grifter trying to prolong his journalistic career. I would recommend retirement in his case.
McKenna, Spence etc remind me of George Galloway- supposedly left wing in their younger days but now raging against change in their older years. They are being found out to be the self promoting, performative charlatans they probably always were.
The prospects are ominous, the opportunity is tremendous, the solution is simple!
The prospects are ominous! –
People are demanding change from years of decline in living standards and, for many , continued poverty.
In England, the majority seem inclined to choose Reform as the vehicle for change and therefore imposing same change on Scotland!
The opportunity is tremendous! –
The people of Scotland have the unique opportunity to choose Independence as a different path – real change!
With all that people have previously relied on, believed or believed in , fundamentally failing to deliver better future prospects, the people of Scotland can take responsibility to build a new approach for themselves .
The solution is simple! –
Encourage all those seeking a new direction to join the SNP and make that new direction a reality by participating in shaping an even better Scotland and then voting to deliver it.
Not any individuals vision of an Independent Scotland but the fruit of everyone’s labour!
We don’t need a new movement, route or anything else we just need to energise and use more effectively what is already there …gie it wings!
Well said Alex McCulloch!
And John is spot on about who finances Reform. Check that out before voting for Reform and you’ll see just what you are voting for.
Mind you, Im hugely disappointed and dismayed to read that support for the Union would drop by just 4% (four percent) if Farage was PM!
What does this say about a lot of the electorate inScotland? Jings crivens and help ma boab right enough.
Sadly, there are those ( eg John Macdonell) who will say the same of the Labour Party. Stay with it and try to change it. It’s a forlorn hope because the Labour Party is now bought and sold by the same people as the Tories and Reform. And traditional Labour voters fury at that betrayal is merely weaponised against them, by offering an apparent alternative in Reform that no-one could seriously believe in. But people will vote for because they are sick of the lot of them and want to disrupt things. Anyone who votes Reform will do so out of desperation.
And believe it ir not at least here in the Highlands and Islands people feel utterly betrayed by the SNP. They completely fail to stand up for us and have lost all credibility for honesty or competence. It is no use whatsoever trying to tell independence supporters to vote SNP here because we don’t believe in them anymore. Most people will go to the Lib Dems because traditionally that is where Highlanders have gone but some may even vote Reform if for example they promise to teverse the winter fuel payment. We have the highest energy prices in Europe and the least ability to pay. We are already surrounded by surplus electricity that we get no benefit from, and surplus self-centred, ‘entitled’ drive thru tourists who wreck our infrastructure, communities and our economy. There is real and growing anger at the SNP for the way we are treated, and growing scepticism about their commitment to independence which looks increasingly like politicians’ promises. All around us, on the SNP’s watch, our land and lives are being wrecked for private profit.
So if the SNP want to re-establish themselves as the party of independence we need to see some indication they are serious.
The same goes for the Greens. I din’t believe in them either.
This is why fewer and fewer people vote. When no candidate or party is credible anymore it makes little difference who you vote for or whether you vote at all.
Labour, the Tories, the Lib Dems and the SNP all seem to believe that they are ‘entitled’ to our votes but none of them will give any reason why. Votes have to be earned.
The only way to restore democracy is to offer voters something they can believe in and then do your best to deliver it. People are really desperate for some honesty and integrity. They were betrayed by Nick Clegg, they were let down by the feebleness of Corbyn, and the SNP want to talk about anything except the one reason the party exists at all.
If no-one is genuinely willing to stand up for constituents and kick the lobbyists and corrupt party donors out there us no-one I can vote for. I will always vote but if none of the above are willing to act openly honestly and in the public interest I’ll spoil my ballot. As I already did, twice.
Scotland is an utterly corrupt country from top to bottom. And as far as I can see that’s how it will stay whether we have (nominal) independence or not.
If Farage becomes PM support for YES would reach 60%.
When did we here this before? The vote on Brexit? The terms of Brexit? Actual Brexit? Boris Johnson as PM?
And so what?
Polls – Process = Pointless.
What if Farage said vote Reform for indyref2?
It is not especially far-fetched.
That’s not a plan.
The path to independent statehood does not involve giving any of the British a say in our choice.
The Scottish people are sovereign, not Westminster or any representatives of the British state.
Dream on
Says the man who thus stated:
“What if Farage said vote Reform for indyref2?
It is not especially far-fetched.”
I agree. How do we turn that into reality? By refusing to vote for any candidate who will not commit themselves to that statement. And if none will, spoiling our ballot.
We have to insist that Holyrood is the voice of the sovereign Scottish people and not some glorified county council.
@ John Wood
I will vote for any candidate that adopts the Manifesto For Independence which has Scottish popular sovereignty and Scotland’s human right of self-determination at its heart (https://manifestoforindependence.scot/)
And I agree – I will withhold my vote if there are no candidates standing on that ticket.
By “withhold my vote” I mean I will write “End The Union” across my ballot papers.
So I will be registering my preference rather than abstaining and staying at home.
Yes, I agree with all that.
He would be in danger of losing 80% of his prospective voters in Scotland – see chart above what his voter base is in Scotland. The last thing Tories and hard line unionists want is a second referendum as they are frightened they would lose.
Indeed but he might calculate differently i.e. the offer of a referendum if elected could well turn indy-supporting heads. Pure speculation obviously but given Reform’s apparent recent embracing of left wing policies like scrapping the two child benefit cap, Farage’s opportunism was laid bare, plus what Reform stands for is clearly in a state of flux. It is unlikely of course but I would not put it past him, not least as he loves to set the cat amongst the pigeons.